The Unstoppable Juggernaut vs. The Flash

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The flash just became a stupid character. How the Hell does he EVER lose to anyone?

Massive amounts of PIS. If Flash comics were written without PIS, they should be the size of stamp....

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Juggernaut has ways he could hit flash.

No. He doesn't. Do you have ways of outrunning a laserbeam? No. Juggernaut has literally no chance of hitting the Flash or defeating him. It's hopeless for him.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Flash does not know of Juggernaut's powers and is going to make mistakes.

Forum rules cite common knowledge. Flash would know the Juggernaut more or less is...well a juggernaut. Super-strength. Big. Invulnerable. He's a one-trick pony.

And Flash can spend an equivalent of a week in his eyes studying the Juggernaut and testing his forcefield without Juggs even knowing it much less before the sound of the bell stops ringing.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Are you sure about that? Because when he touched the gem it said, "Whosoever touches this gem shall possess the power of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak ....". Whats to say his shield isn't made out of the indestructible Crimson Bands.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Are you sure about that? Because when he touched the gem it said, "Whosoever touches this gem shall possess the power of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak ....". Whats to say his shield isn't made out of the indestructible Crimson Bands.

The POWER of the Crimson Bands. That means it's indestructability and the invulnerability.

The actual Crimson Bands is a spell cast by Dr. Strange or other high-end sorcerers.

Juggs only possesses a forcefield. That's it. He can't "project" his forcefield.

Originally posted by Draco69
Massive amounts of PIS. If Flash comics were written without PIS, they should be the size of stamp....

No. He doesn't. Do you have ways of outrunning a laserbeam? No. Juggernaut has literally no chance of hitting the Flash or defeating him. It's hopeless for him.

Forum rules cite common knowledge. Flash would know the Juggernaut more or less is...well a juggernaut. Super-strength. Big. Invulnerable. He's a one-trick pony.

And Flash can spend an equivalent of a week in his eyes studying the Juggernaut and testing his forcefield without Juggs even knowing it much less before the sound of the bell stops ringing.

That kind of crap makes an interesting character? No wonder people complain and cry about when he or Superman loses. They can't write a good story with them without making it PIS, CIS, or reality warping punches.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Well, he does kind of possess their alleged power. They're supposed to be invincible, although they're really a spell and based on the will of the caster, and he is supposed to be invincible as well. It's like Cyttorak's trademark spell.

I'll take your word on it.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That kind of crap makes an interesting character? No wonder people complain and cry about when he or Superman loses. They can't write a good story with them without making it PIS, CIS, or reality warping punches.

Meh. I could say the same thing about Silver Surfer or Thor or Iceman (current) or Thanos. 😬

Originally posted by Draco69
Meh. I could say the same thing about Silver Surfer or Thor or Iceman (current) or Thanos. 😬

I'll agree with you on Silver Surfer, Iceman, and Thanos. But Thor has good weaknesses. He can be physically beat and he has emotions that come into play. He is also vulnerable to some magic, and is restricted by the laws of Asgard. He has many enemies that originate from his own back ground, so it is understandable that some may be on his level.

Without BFR, wouldn't Flash tire eventually? I remember him needing rest after maybe 3 hours. I've seen him collapse from exhaustion from less than a half hour of running.

I don't know if Flash could stop him from moving, really. His enchantment moves him forwards, not his legs or KE.

Originally posted by Draco69
Which is why he can run in space with out the need of air

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Originally posted by long pig
Without BFR, wouldn't Flash tire eventually? I remember him needing rest after maybe 3 hours. I've seen him collapse from exhaustion from less than a half hour of running.

I don't know if Flash could stop him from moving, really. His enchantment moves him forwards, not his legs or KE.

The Flash can run forever if he wanted to. The Speed Force powers him.

If you think about it, if Flash can race around the world even at near lightspeed, his feet must be hitting the ground an inquaintifable amount of times. His "strokes of jog" must be insane.

His stamina isn't physical. It's kinetically powered by the Speed Force. Canonically in his comic, he can run for as long as he wants.

Which really isn't the case he as it's not like he really NEEDS to go all-out with his speed as Juggernaut would be a statue to him. Also he doesn't even need to run at all. He can just sit on the ground and watch the Juggernaut for hours when really it's just a picosecond ticking by. And as stated. If he's tired? He'll sleep. He doesn't have a normal sleep cycle. His sleep cycle is completely different from ours. If you think about it, ONE day to him is like a decade.

Originally posted by Evangel94
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She talked....in space 😐

Originally posted by Evangel94
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Yeah. BlairWind just busted THAT scan...

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And for the record, using a Jeph Loeb scan? A SUPERGIRL scan nonetheless?

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THAT's credible....

He can run in space:

Originally posted by Blair Wind
She talked....in space 😐

We all know being in space has never stopped comic book characters from talking to one another. 😉

Originally posted by Evangel94
We all know being in space has never stopped comic book characters from talking to one another. 😉

Which is poor retort for using a JEPH LOEB scan. Supergirl outrunning the Flash is just plain stupid. Also Flash is sooooo stupid that with his lightspeed reactions and thought process he wouldn't notice that he's heading out into space?

Bullsh**....

Originally posted by Draco69
Which is poor retort for using a JEPH LOEB scan. Supergirl outrunning the Flash is just plain stupid. Also Flash is sooooo stupid that he's lightspeed reactions and thought process wouldn't notice that he's heading out into space?

Bullsh**....

Like I said before, Flash could make a mistake. Thats why I don't like cosmics like Galactus and SS. It makes the comics seem so much more child like. And Super Girl moving at those speeds would rip her costume off.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Like I said before, Flash could make a mistake. Thats why I don't like cosmics like Galactus and SS. It makes the comics seem so much more child like. And Super Girl moving at those speeds would rip her costume off.

Meh. We already see Superslutl naked every issue of Supergirl anyway. Britney Zor-El doesn't need to take off her clothes TWICE in a issue.

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Originally posted by Draco69
Which is poor retort for using for JEPH LOEB scan.

I'm not trying to retort you. 😐

I'm simply pointing out that if comic characters didn't speak in space, the reader would have no idea whats going on. It's an inconsistancy we have to live with.

Originally posted by Draco69
Meh. We already see Superslutl naked every issue of Supergirl anyway. Britney Zor-El doesn't need to take off her clothes TWICE in a issue.

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If I am not mistaken, she was wearing a shadow suit.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
If I am not mistaken, she was wearing a shadow suit.

Really? I thought it was just a tablecloth she stole from McDonald's after servicing 167 illegal immigrants....

Back on topic, if Flash ran to the grocery store and took a nap etc. It wouldn't be much of a battle now would it? Flash is supposed to be fighting Juggernaut, not anything else.

And if Flash ever got close to Juggernaut, he would be stopped down by Juggernaut Forcefield slowing him and his momentum would be stopped.

If Kitty Pryde was rendering herself intangible for the majority of the a battle and not making a move against her opponent, would that be considered inviable? No. She's not fighting her opponent at all. She's SUPPOSED to though.

As said before, Flash can go without sleep and sustenance as long as he taps in the Speed Force to make up for it.

The scan puts into the question of which is stronger? The Speed Force or Jugg's forcefields. The field basically mimics a kinetic energy steal. Unfortunately for Juggs, he faced a similar opponent: the Turtle. He also possessed a personal forcefield that enabled him to suck the momentum dry of any object that went near him. Flash simply tapped in the Speed Force to give him as much kinetic energy to power his momentum.

So, even if the forcefield begins to drain Flash of his own kinetic energy...Flash can just tap into a infinite supply of kinetic energy: the Speed Force. Infinite speed.

So unless we have scan showing Jugg's field is capable of sucking the momentum dry of something that supply itself with infinite kinetic energy if so desired....