Originally posted by Enyalus
Vulcan controls the entire electromagnetic spectrum...as well as apparently spiritual energy and magical energies. And has metallic manipulation abilities, minor telekinetic and telepathic abilities, and can flat turn off other people's metahuman abilities.He's far more versatile. And his energy blasts are more powerful.
He sucks. But he wins here.
More powerful?
Dr.Light took down Superman, he took out Connor Kent with a single blast. You know who failed to take out Connor Kent with a single blast? Superboy Prime, that's who. Fighting the x-men and the imperial cannon fodder, that's mighty impressive. Unfortunately his energy blasts could not even AFFECT Gladiator and he got fukcing destroyed.
Now, I'm guessing you haven't read a single thing with Dr.Light. Maybed saw him in Final Crisis? He took control over a magical weapon made by ARES!
What kind of energies Vulcan can control doesn't matter and he can't turn off people's powers. Good luck finding an incident where he turns off someone's power. If you're going to bring up the elder, I'll fukcing laugh.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
More powerful?Dr.Light took down Superman, he took out Connor Kent with a single blast.
Plenty of people have thrashed Conner. Hell, Batgirl's one-shotted a monster that was kicking Conner's ass.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Unfortunately his energy blasts could not even AFFECT Gladiator and he got fukcing destroyed.
He also managed to hurt The Elder, who snapped Gladiator's arm like nothing and was slapping around Vulcan, amped Havok and Gladiator at the same time. After taking out the Guard.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Now, I'm guessing you haven't read a single thing with Dr.Light. Maybed saw him in Final Crisis? He took control over a magical weapon made by ARES!
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What kind of energies Vulcan can control doesn't matter and he can't turn off people's powers.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Because he used solar energy/light manipulation to do it...Plenty of people have thrashed Conner. Hell, Batgirl's one-shotted a monster that was kicking Conner's ass.
Some incorrectness there.
- Dr.Light shot Superman. Light blast. A blast, an attack.
- You failed to bring up anyone who has trashed Conner or one-shotted him.
Originally posted by Enyalus
That was pretty obvious why Gladiator wasn't effected. It even explained it on panel. And its something Gladiator had never done before and hasn't done since.He also managed to hurt The Elder, who snapped Gladiator's arm like nothing and was slapping around Vulcan, amped Havok and Gladiator at the same time. After taking out the Guard.
- It was obvious to rest of us, yes. Gladiator's durability. You and Carver think that he developed a new ability to REFLECT ENERGY OFF HIS SHINY SUIT. The rest of us, quanchi not included, understood that Gladiator's durability is just like the rest of his belief driven powers and that Vulcan was not strong enough to harm him.
- Vulcan hurt him and was getting his ass kicked by him. Okay, that's cool and it's not really a feat. Dr.Light doesn't draw his power from an external source, he can't shut out his powers like that. The scenario can't be replicated here.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I've read some of his appearances. I don't read the Titans, though. I did read all of Final Crisis and the tie-ins. Dr. Light was killed in the first issue of FC: Revelations (?), wasn't he?
If you're going to try and debate any of the characters here, read up on them. I've read all the comics involving Vulcan and Dr. Light. It's not difficult, since they all have very few appearances. And their respect threads are decent enough to offer anyone who has not, an insight into their powers.
And yes, he was killed by the Spectre.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He did so to Cyclops and Rachel. He cut off The Elder's power. And he manipulated the power that Neutron stole from him, even when it was no longer in his possession.
- Cyclops and Rachel are mutants. Dr. Light is not.
- The Elder draws on an external power source. Dr. Light does not.
- Neutron stole his power from Vulcan, Dr. Light does not need to.
Once again, how are these feats applicable in a fight here?
It'll be a blast off. They can both control energy and the limitations seem to be awfully vague. Dr. Light can control anything that radiates light apparently, and Vulcan can control almost anything. They both have histories of overriding someone else's control over their own powers.
How you think that bringing up events that cannot be replicated in this scenario will help Vulcan's case, is beyond me.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Some incorrectness there.- Dr.Light shot Superman. Light blast. A blast, an attack.
- You failed to bring up anyone who has trashed Conner or one-shotted him.
If you're referring to the JLA Injustice Society arc thing...Raoul won't like you.
Gog in AC 813 (around there), and a slug-type creature in Batgirl 41.
.....Also, pocket-universe Superboy in Superboy 8 (or 9?). 😮 But, I don't blame him for that.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- It was obvious to rest of us, yes. Gladiator's durability. You and Carver think that he developed a new ability to REFLECT ENERGY OFF HIS SHINY SUIT. The rest of us, quanchi not included, understood that Gladiator's durability is just like the rest of his belief driven powers and that Vulcan was not strong enough to harm him.
...it was a plot device.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Vulcan hurt him and was getting his ass kicked by him. Okay, that's cool and it's not really a feat.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Cyclops and Rachel are mutants. Dr. Light is not.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- The Elder draws on an external power source. Dr. Light does not.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Neutron stole his power from Vulcan, Dr. Light does not need to.
And Neutron was once the Protector of the Universe. He's a top tier energy manipulator in his own right.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It'll be a blast off. They can both control energy and the limitations seem to be awfully vague. Dr. Light can control anything that radiates light apparently, and Vulcan can control almost anything. They both have histories of overriding someone else's control over their own powers.
Originally posted by Enyalus
🙁 Sorry.So you've read all Dr. Light's and Vulcan's appearances and thinks Arthur wins?
...He is a much cooler character. 😄
Please, stop using several enter-spaces between your sentences, one is plenty D:
And yes, I have and believe he wins. The times he is beaten it seems to be from something odd, like how he was beaten by Cyborg in the end. He was still physically capable of fighting, he just gave up. Probably because he was trying to prove something.
If you ask me, the artist made a mistake at depicting how Vulcan and Gladiator interacted in that fight. It sometimes happens in comics. The way the writer wrote it, Gladiator was supposed to be "untouchable" not "unhurtable". Vulcan shoulda said "Why can't I harm you?" or something.
The way I see it, the writer wanted to show Gladiator using his speed to avoid Vulcan's blast (therefore being "untouchable"😉, not use his use his durability to simply tank the blasts.
I unno, that's just me.
Anyway, Vulcan wins. 🙂
Originally posted by Enyalus
Gladiator literally 'believed' himself untouchable...clearly amping his already high durability. To my knowledge, that's never happened before. But we do know his stats vary based upon confidence, and apparently in that issue.......it was a plot device.
That seemed like the old school Gladiator that I know and love. His abilities are based on believe and confidence. As long as he remains confident, and believes in accomplishing his task, his power increases etc.
This was brought up on different occasions as I recall. His confidence is his greatest weakness as if it falters, he loses power, but it's also his greatest weapon. The more confident he is, the more powerful he is. That's the way I understand it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That seemed like the old school Gladiator that I know and love. His abilities are based on believe and confidence. As long as he remains confident, and believes in accomplishing his task, his power increases etc.This was brought up on different occasions as I recall. His confidence is his greatest weakness as if it falters, he loses power, but it's also his greatest weapon. The more confident he is, the more powerful he is. That's the way I understand it.
Yep, that is how he's suppose to be and recently thats how he's been presented, especially with his showing against the nova corpse.