hmm, i don't know. there really isn't any reason at all that vulcan shouldn't completely own mags in this. there was no reason he shouldn't have owned havok either though. 😬
warlock himself was shocked at vulcan's power level--that says a lot. i friggin HATE HATE HATE calling PIS but i can't see how his loss to havok (an energy user) is anything else. i'd say losing to mags would be the same.
meh. maybe if he can defeat black bolt those losses to havok will be forgotten . . .
Originally posted by leonidasWhy downplay Magneto when you feel Vulcan has been getting downplayed?
hmm, i don't know. there really isn't any reason at all that vulcan shouldn't completely own mags in this. there was no reason he shouldn't have owned havok either though. 😬
Why should Vulcan own Magneto though?
Originally posted by Charmander
Why downplay Magneto when you feel Vulcan has been getting downplayed?Why should Vulcan own Magneto though?
i wasn't downplaying mags. i know mags very well, and his capabilities. but, given that mag's draws power from the EM field, and that vulcan's whole powerset revolves around his controlling ALL types of energy, well . . . 😕
if he can easily absorb and remain unaffected by warlock's far more exotic (and imo no less potent) energy powers, i see no reason to think he shouldn't be able to demolish magneto.
well, other than for his poor showings against havok that is . . .
in a slightly related topic--i remember arguing for the fact that vulcan SHOULD be able to manipulate magical energies and being told that would be ridiculous, that he's never shown that level of control, blahblah. now he's defeated (easily) a high level cosmic magic-user and people still think he gets owned by mags. doesn't make a lot of sense to me. 😬 i'd love to see him put a beating on black bolt, personally, though i don't think that will happen. their fight will probably be a stalemate or in some other way inconclusive
Originally posted by leonidasDoes he completely cut off Magneto's connection with the EM Spectrum before or after Magneto tears him apart with that metal suit of Vulcan's?
i wasn't downplaying mags. i know mags very well, and his capabilities. but, given that mag's draws power from the EM field, and that vulcan's whole powerset revolves around his controlling ALL types of energy, well . . . 😕if he can easily absorb and remain unaffected by warlock's far more exotic (and imo no less potent) energy powers, i see no reason to think he shouldn't be able to demolish magneto.
well, other than for his poor showings against havok that is . . .
You mean like how Magneto fought Phoenix?
Fighting on fairly even grounds with her after fighting the X-Men, and then sucking her life force out?
I think Phoenix>Warlock still getting getting used to his powers. Or any normal Warlock for that matter...
Originally posted by leonidask
in a slightly related topic--i remember arguing for the fact that vulcan SHOULD be able to manipulate magical energies and being told that would be ridiculous, that he's never shown that level of control, blahblah. now he's defeated (easily) a high level cosmic magic-user and people still think he gets owned by mags. doesn't make a lot of sense to me. 😬 i'd love to see him put a beating on black bolt, personally, though i don't think that will happen. their fight will probably be a stalemate or in some other way inconclusive
Originally posted by Charmander
Does he completely cut off Magneto's connection with the EM Spectrum before or after Magneto tears him apart with that metal suit of Vulcan's?
hard to say. mag's might rip his suit apart, maybe, but i'd say that's where it would end. if it's quickdraw, who knows.
Plus, does Vulcan's powers override Magneto's control over the EM field on a level that just allows him to sever the link in the heat of battle?
just in the heat of battle? not sure what you're getting at. mag's is using energy against an omega energy manipulator. i'd think anything mag's tried to do could easily be countered by vulcan and his shields would be as easily bypassed as warlock's shields were.
You mean like how Magneto fought Phoenix?
Fighting on fairly even grounds with her after fighting the X-Men, and then sucking her life force out?
I think Phoenix>Warlock still getting getting used to his powers. Or any normal Warlock for that matter...
meh. everyone has high end feats. i don't think rachel would fare very well against vulcan either. and though it is non-canon, vulcan has manipulated the energy of the m'krann crystal. irrelevent? perhaps, but it does show what some of the people at marvel consider him capable of. hard to compare them only because mags has SSOOOO many feats, but vulcan has a few pretty good ones too and his powerset is ideally suited to deal with mags.
to me, he would have more trouble with the brick types than the energy types, unless the energy types are really uber.
Originally posted by Charmander
I think Phoenix>Warlock still getting getting used to his powers. Or any normal Warlock for that matter...
there's some irony there too--you are saying warlock was getting used to his powers, but in the arc you're referring to, jeannie was VERY new to her powers and had no real idea how to use them. at all she was also under her own imposed restrictions still--ie--she had limits she put on herself and so she was unable to access her powers fully. she basically tried bludgeoning him. vulcan would attack him in a vastly different way. mags was only able to draw out her 'life energy' (whatever the heck that means . . . ) when she reached her limit and was stunned by the fact. still a nice feat, but THAT version of phoenix wasn't all that impressive. 😬