Magneto Vs Vulcan

Originally posted by leonidas
hard to say. mag's might rip his suit apart, maybe, but i'd say that's where it would end. if it's quickdraw, who knows.

Magneto can feel feel/see that Vulcan's suit is metal.

It took Vulcan a bit to realize that the Eldest was getting power from his people when it was clearly funneling into him.
He doesn't have CA.

Originally posted by leonidas
just in the heat of battle? not sure what you're getting at. mag's is using energy against an omega energy manipulator. i'd think anything mag's tried to do could easily be countered by vulcan and his shields would be as easily bypassed as warlock's shields were.

Didn't a drugged Polaris give Vulcan some trouble as well? IIRC anyway.

Warlock used shields?

Originally posted by leonidas
meh. everyone has high end feats. i don't think rachel would fare very well against vulcan either.

It was Jeanix

Originally posted by leonidas
and though it is non-canon, vulcan has manipulated the energy of the m'krann crystal. irrelevent? perhaps, but it does show what some of the people at marvel consider him capable of. hard to compare them only because mags has SSOOOO many feats, but vulcan has a few pretty good ones too and his powerset is ideally suited to deal with mags.

to me, he would have more trouble with the brick types than the energy types, unless the energy types are really uber.

How do you think Vulcan would do against Surfer?

Originally posted by leonidas
there's some irony there too--you are saying warlock was getting used to his powers, but in the arc you're referring to, jeannie was VERY new to her powers and had no real idea how to use them. at all she was also under her own imposed restrictions still--ie--she had limits she put on herself and so she was unable to access her powers fully. she basically tried bludgeoning him. vulcan would attack him in a vastly different way. mags was only able to draw out her 'life energy' (whatever the heck that means . . . ) when she reached her limit and was stunned by the fact. still a nice feat, but THAT version of phoenix wasn't all that impressive. 😬

Plus, I wasn't calling Phoenix Vulcan in that instance (like you're implying Warlock is Mags), I was comparing it to Vulcan's feat since it's similar.
Mags = Vulcan
Phoenix = Warlock
In the instances. Only Phoenix>Warlock.

Originally posted by Charmander
[B]There's a difference.

Magneto can feel feel/see that Vulcan's suit is metal.

It took Vulcan a bit to realize that the Eldest was getting power from his people when it was clearly funneling into him.
He doesn't have CA.[b]

that's why i conceded the quick draw. not sure if mag's could do something before vulcan could react. vulcan might be able to shield himself.

Well, he'd be shunting the power from someone who manipulates the EM field for a living. Unlike Warlock, he isn't flaunting his power source around, and he won't be drained like that.
Also, he drained the power source directly from Warlock. To shunt Magneto's power, he'd have to stop any electromagnetic energy from reaching Magneto, or even coming close. Which to me, seems hard since Magneto is a master at manipulating it himself, and can draw power from the planet... as well as it would still leave Magneto with power...

if he can cut through mag's shields, he could ko mags though. and it seems he could drain mags as quickly as mags could absorb the energy.

Didn't a drugged Polaris give Vulcan some trouble as well? IIRC anyway.

don't think she really 'gave him trouble'. i thought he shut her down pretty quickly then had the techs put her back under. i think she hurt him once with a blindside attack. can't remember exactly but i'm sure someone will have scans.

Warlock used shields?

hrm. now i think about it i don't think he did. maybe it was polaris's shields i'm thinking of. he walked through SOMEONE's frigging shield . . . so many x-overs it's hard to remember what issues things happened in.

How do you think Vulcan would do against Surfer?

ss would win. don't think vulcan's come into his FULL power yet, plus ss draws power from the UNIVERSE. that's a taller order. it is a fight i would love to see though. i'm fascinated by vulcan's powerset. i'd like to see him make the most of it.

Originally posted by Charmander
Yet Phoenix was still very powerful, no? I mean, she did heal the M’Kraan Crystal back then (with help from homos), which if I recall from GS' arguments... MULTIVERSE!!!!!!!1

careful bran--master's will be all over your a$$ you keep up that kind of talk! 😂

and she WAS powerful, just inconsistently so, and inexperienced. she had some poor showings around that time as well as some good ones.

Plus, I wasn't calling Phoenix Vulcan in that instance (like you're implying Warlock is Mags), I was comparing it to Vulcan's feat since it's similar.
Mags = Vulcan
Phoenix = Warlock
In the instances. Only Phoenix>Warlock.

i got what you're saying but vulcan EASILY defeated warlock and mags was holding his own against a noob jean. THAT incarnation of phoenix, at that time, might not be very far above warlock either. jean was fragile. no guarantee a herald leveller like warlock couldn't have matched her or taken her out.

i hate phoenixes. 😐

Originally posted by leonidas
that's why i conceded the quick draw. not sure if mag's could do something before vulcan could react. vulcan might be able to shield himself.

Don't know what he'd shield himself with, but meh.

Originally posted by leonidas
if he can cut through mag's shields, he could ko mags though. and it seems he could drain mags as quickly as mags could absorb the energy.

Which would leave Magneto with his normal level of power...

Originally posted by leonidas
don't think she really 'gave him trouble'. i thought he shut her down pretty quickly then had the techs put her back under. i think she hurt him once with a blindside attack. can't remember exactly but i'm sure someone will have scans.

Going from memory.

Originally posted by leonidas
hrm. now i think about it i don't think he did. maybe it was polaris's shields i'm thinking of. he walked through SOMEONE's frigging shield . . .

Vulcan or Warlock?
Because Warlock did blow up a shield in that fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
ss would win. don't think vulcan's come into his FULL power yet, plus ss draws power from the UNIVERSE. that's a taller order. it is a fight i would love to see though. i'm fascinated by vulcan's powerset. i'd like to see him make the most of it.

You mean blasts, and the ability to leech powers? 😛

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

Originally posted by leonidas
careful bran--master's will be all over your a$$ you keep up that kind of talk! 😂

and she WAS powerful, just inconsistently so, and inexperienced. she had some poor showings around that time as well as some good ones.

She's gay.

Originally posted by leonidas
i got what you're saying but vulcan EASILY defeated warlock and mags was holding his own against a noob jean. THAT incarnation of phoenix, at that time, might not be very far above warlock either. jean was fragile. no guarantee a herald leveller like warlock couldn't have matched her or taken her out.

i hate phoenixes. 😐

maybe

Me too.

Originally posted by Charmander
Magneto controls metal as fast Bada shoots off his troops.

😂

i checked a little bit--lorna did hurt him while he was battling rachel so it was a surprise attack. he did put her down pretty easily a later time.

The same Mags who has taken brutal shots from Colossus, Gambit, Iron Man, Bishop, etc without shields? It's not as simple as that.

well, if he cuts mags off from drawing power from the EM field--like he did to the eldest--he should be weakened. i guess it's not impossible to say mags has reserves WITHIN him, but i'm not sure about that, nor how much. and if he's cut off, vulcan could then just draw the rest out of him. maybe. or shut down his powers, as he did to rachel.

Vulcan or Warlock?
Because Warlock did blow up a shield in that fight.

vulcan. i'm pretty sure it was lorna's shields (maybe an energy field) he walked through but couldn't find the scan.

i brought up that what if stuff purely to show what the writers at marvel think of him, or at least his potential. here's what i think SHOULD happen if he faced mag's (again, non-canon, but i still find it interesting 🙂 ):

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%206/1.jpg

here is the m'krann crystal/PF stuff i mentioned earlier:

Originally posted by Galan007
In a recent 'What If', Vulcan was transported to the WHR, through the M'Kraan Crystal...

======

After killing nearly every alternate version of Phoenix -- Gabriel himself becomes the embodiment of the Force:

----------

Takes the Phoenix Force from other characters:

----------

According to a Watcher, Gabriel had already destroyed 7 Galaxies:

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

night-night. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm fascinated by vulcan's powerset. i'd like to see him make the most of it.

Me to!

...