Originally posted by xJLxKing
Didn't Superan say MM>jla???
😕 Power wise, he is.
He almost have every power that every member on the jla has. Jonn is a very versatile character, he just jobbs a lot.
By the way, your argument fails since wonder woman has out right lasted against supes on panel or has beaten him on panel.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusdo you even have to ask? the two characters in this thread are from dc, thor wasn't.
errExactly why?
Wonder Woman is a better fighter than him...
I honestly, gave the exact same stipulations for Thor vs. Wonder Woman. Just pure hand to hand, no speed blitzing etc. and Wonder Woman was too skilled.
Hell, I even doubled Warrior Madness Thor's strength, with the belt of strength, and she was still getting votes.
Just trying to understand exactly what's the major difference I'm missing here.....
Since Wonder Woman get's the Gauntlets of Atlas (And I believe them to increase her strength 20 fold) and equipment, I'd say Superman's initial strength levels should be a bit behind hers as the fight would begin. She's been stated on panel to have quicker "fight speed" then he has by Batman to Superman's dismay. I see her taking him out quickly.
If he were to last long enough so that his strength were to > hers, then I'm sure he'd take the majority.
As the rules stand, I'd give it to Diana 8/10.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Even if her strenght was increasd times 20 she would not be as strong as Superman.
Uh, Diana straight up rivals him in the strength department.
She's always been depicted as a notch weaker, but not by a huge margin. She would trounce his base strength if her own strength was doubled. If it was 20x then she wouldn't even have to try. But since he starts x10 and she starts x20 she immediately has a huge advantage.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
If it's clear that Base Superman is stronger then WW, then I think it will be that much easier to see that.
Yet Thor and Wonder Woman are equals and in the same stipulations, Thor loses, yet Superman wins.
Lulz.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
hehe, I know that! I saw that scan before. It doesn't say nothing about his experience in hand to hand. Right? Same goes with Superman. All he has is his hands to fight with. He was also in a thousand year war.
Are you trying to be difficult?
Thor is a warrior born. He has been fighting in hand to hand, with swords, maces, hammers etc. since he could walk. He was off fighting armies of Frost Giants, with various types of weapons for months on end while man was still in caves.
That scan shows that he remembers every single moment of his entire lives. That includes all the battles, and wars fought. All the experience with weapons etc.
To say that Superman is more experienced than Thor, is just, well, stupid.
I know about the war Superman fought in.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So it's more ignorance, than biased opinion?Hmm.....
I'm just surprised is all. With the exact same stipulations, Wonder Woman is given the win because she is a better fighter(Which is debatable as that's Thor.), and here......
I even doubled his already ten fold strength with his belt of strength. Still Diana.....
Well, thanks for the insight.
not at all. the fact that you made both threads and take issue with people giving superman more a chance than thor implies that you think both men are equals, which they are not.
if they fought, yes, it would be an epic battle worthy of any comic. the fact remains, though, that both men have their own strengths and weaknesses that are different from each other.
there are always going to be people Superman is better suited to fighting against, and people Thor is better suited to fighting against. people could simply believe Wonder Woman is the former, rather than the latter. Replace her with the Silver Surfer, or Loki, or any high level energy user, and things would shift rather rapidly.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
do you even have to ask? the two characters in this thread are from dc, thor wasn't.
shite like that doesn't help anyone, so cut it out.
Originally posted by Raoul
not at all. the fact that you made both threads and take issue with people giving superman more a chance than thor implies that you think both men are equals, which they are not.if they fought, yes, it would be an epic battle worthy of any comic. the fact remains, though, that both men have their own strengths and weaknesses that are different from each other.
there are always going to be people Superman is better suited to fighting against, and people Thor is better suited to fighting against. people could simply believe Wonder Woman is the former, rather than the latter. Replace her with the Silver Surfer, or Loki, or any high level energy user, and things would shift rather rapidly.
I gave the same exact stipulations, and placed them in the exact same situation. Thor should even have a better chance than Superman as he is more experienced etc.
They are not equals? Are you trying to imply Superman is Thor's superior? Based on these stipulations, it's pure strength, durability, endurance, and reflexes in terms of physical attributes that matter.
I even gave Thor the Belt of Strength that should double his strength and his already in Warrior Madness which is Thor ten times stronger than normal, and he still loses according to the majority, and yet here Superman with only a ten times amp in strength wins according to the majority.
I don't see what else besides bias that can change opinions that greatly.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I gave the same exact stipulations, and placed them in the exact same situation.
which in itself is flawed. both men are not carbon copies of each other, so putting them in the exact same situation is always going to favour one over the other.
They are not equals? Are you trying to imply Superman is Thor's superior?
not in the slightest. i said they weren't equals in the sense that their strengths lie in different avenues, as do their weaknesses.
I don't see what else besides bias that can change opinions that greatly.
from what i've seen, people believe superman is faster (reflex wise) than thor, so has a better chance of winning. it could be something as simple as that.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
exposing bias is good for the soul.
causing trouble isn't.
you think the forum is biased, fine. keep it to yourself.
Originally posted by Raoul
which in itself is flawed. both men are not carbon copies of each other, so putting them in the exact same situation is always going to favour one over the other.
I get what you're saying. Where Thor might excel, Superman might falter, and vise versa. I get it, but with the stipulations I made, they rely on the same abilities. Strength, durability, endurance, reflexes etc. With those stipulations they are pretty damn close.
Originally posted by Raoul
not in the slightest. i said they weren't equals in the sense that their strengths lie in different avenues, as do their weaknesses.
Got it. Just checking. I understand that.
Originally posted by Raoul
from what i've seen, people believe superman is faster (reflex wise) than thor, so has a better chance of winning. it could be something as simple as that.
Faster? Thor has faster than light and thought reflexes. Just saying.
I don't even believe these boards are biased towards DC. I think it's extremely balanced. Especially compared to some of the boards I've been too.