Originally posted by Philosophía
I'll prove it, once you bring me Thor's best feats. Otherwise, I'm throwing feats at air.So yeah..
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How do you quantify the pulling planet thing I mean? I mean besides the fact that they are in space, Superman can also fly at faster than light speeds, and so on. Just so many things in play there. I've always wondered how someone quantifies that feat.
he got a harness put on him, and he pulled it. while fighting against someone who was pushing it.
f*cking strong, is how i'd quantify it.
Originally posted by Raoul
he got a harness put on him, and he pulled it. while fighting against someone who was pushing it.f*cking strong, is how i'd quantify it.
Again how do you quantify that? I mean besides the fact that it was a combination of his strength and Hal Jordan's will power, Superman can also fly at faster than light speeds. Hell, the only reason he can even attempt to move a planet is because he can fly. I give it maybe fifty fifty each in terms of the work they did individually, as it said a combination and then taking into account all those things in play, makes it even more difficult to quantify. I would much rather have Superman do what Thor did, such as supporting the weight of half the planet etc. Much easier to quantify as a strength feat in my opinion.
Who was pushing it against him and Hal Jordan?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again how do you quantify that? I mean besides the fact that it was a combination of his strength and Hal Jordan's will power, Superman can also fly at faster than light speeds. Hell, the only reason he can even attempt to move a planet is because he can fly. I give it maybe fifty fifty each in terms of the work they did individually, as it said a combination and then taking into account all those things in play, makes it even more difficult to quantify. I would much rather have Superman do what Thor did, such as supporting the weight of half the planet etc. Much easier to quantify as a strength feat in my opinion.Who was pushing it against him and Hal Jordan?
i quantify it by him using his strength to help move the planet. even if jordan is helping, that's still half the planet.
Originally posted by Raoul
i quantify it by him using his strength to help move the planet. even if jordan is helping, that's still half the planet.
That's the thing though, clearly his strength isn't the only thing in play here, simply based on what his doing, which is attempting to move a planet with assistance.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's the thing though, clearly his strength isn't the only thing in play here, simply based on what his doing, which is attempting to move a planet with assistance.
not this again.
there's no proof that he needs anything other than strength to move a planet.
using some old, invalid scans from the john byrne days just doesn't cut it.
Originally posted by Raoul
not this again.there's no proof that he needs anything other than strength to move a planet.
using some old, invalid scans from the john byrne days just doesn't cut it.
I'm not even bothering using those scans. Superman is superior currently.
I said, that simply based on the fact that his attempting to move a planet, means more than strength is in play. More things to factor in.
For example attach a harness to him, and then remove his power of flight. How's he going to move the planet now? Fart, and hope the propulsion generated is strong enough to move him and the planet? Swim through space?
Different things to consider. Clearly his strength is in play, but there's more to it than just strength.
i disagree completely.
if i'm pushing a heavy box, i use my legs to gain leverage, but it's still considered part of my strength being used to move it. there's every chance his ability is just another muscle in comparison.
even if he did have some magical unknown factor that added to his strength, what's to stop him using it when he punches someone in the face? or does it only happen to work while he's flying?
Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree completely.if i'm pushing a heavy box, i use my legs to gain leverage, but it's still considered part of my strength being used to move it. there's every chance his ability is just another muscle in comparison.
even if he did have some magical unknown factor that added to his strength, what's to stop him using it when he punches someone in the face? or does it only happen to work while he's flying?
Clearly if Superman someone while flying at them, he would pack a bigger punch than if he punched them while stationary.
Has his ability to fly been changed yet? I've lost track at this point. His ability of self propulsion/flight is considered to be another muscle? I don't think that comparison applies in such a situation.
Not some magical unknown factor. Just the conditions in play. His in space, attempting to move a planet, by flying the opposite direction and so on. It's obvious more than strength is in play. I don't think he lacks the strength to do so on his own in certain circumstances. Characters like Superman, Hulk, Thor and the likes, are strong enough that they should be capable of supporting the nearly the weight of the entire planet on their shoulders in my opinion if push comes to shove. They are just that strong. I'm not debating his level of strength here, but how one would quantify, his ability to move a planet, while taking into account his abilities and the settings as a strength feat.
Pft. Moving planets isn't as impressive as smashing planets, IMO. Dunno why some like to show the "planet moving" feat as the be-all and end-all of feats in terms of strength. This isn't Sumo. You don't try to push ppl out of a small circle. Strength in fights is all about impact force, not pulling/pushing power. We should talk about what each person has shown to have smashed instead of arguing the validity of someone pulling X.