Namor vs Wonderman

Originally posted by leonidas
this is about as close as it can get imo. i'd take namor i think for something like 5.5/10.... he's just a smarter fighter and more brutal. just enough to tip the edge in his favour ever so slightly imo.

Compare Simon/Herc to the multiple Namor/Herc fights.
Compare Abom/Simon to Abom/Namor (and keep in mind Namor and crew just got through fighting the Avengers).

Then you have the Namor/Simon fight were Namor was distracted by Whizzer when Simon put him down vs the Simon/Sentry/Ares vs Namor fight were Namor was making an absolute fool out of Simon.

Other than that first fight where Simon kayoed Namor have they fought again?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Other than that first fight where Simon kayoed Namor have they fought again?

Again, you know this too since abhi provided the scans. But don't let that stop you from your trollish behavior.

Originally posted by zopzop
You know the context behind that KO but, yes they did fight and Simon was getting schooled hardcore by Namor despite the fact that Ares and Sentry were there to assist Simon.

Again, you know this too since abhi provided the scans. But don't let that stop you from your trollish behavior.

Originally posted by zopzop
In your opinion, how do you explain that Namor has done better against common foes than Simon has?

Compare Simon/Herc to the multiple Namor/Herc fights.
Compare Abom/Simon to Abom/Namor (and keep in mind Namor and crew just got through fighting the Avengers).

Then you have the Namor/Simon fight were Namor was distracted by Whizzer when Simon put him down vs the Simon/Sentry/Ares vs Namor fight were Namor was making an absolute fool out of Simon.

well, the abom fight wasn't pretty for simon, no doubt. but abom has also taken it to hulk several times. of course, he's also been literally one-shotted by herc and ko'd by logan. 😬 my point: not sure i'd look at fights vs abomination and give them TOO much credence tbh. namor also took care of him pretty easily underwater--as he should but i thought the fight was a lot closer on the surface. can't recall all the details though so maybe you remember better than i do.

there's also a scene where simon shows he dwarfs ben in strength, but we've seen ben and namor fight to virtual standstills many times. simon also had a great showing against thor once, and seemed to be the stronger (when GM and death were competing i think....) wm has also easily handled goliath/atlas a couple times and i find that more impressive than handling abomination.

all that said, you could be right and i may be short-changing namor some. maybe 6-6.5/10 would be a better guess....

Originally posted by leonidas
there's also a scene where simon shows he dwarfs ben in strength, but we've seen ben and namor fight to virtual standstills many times.

Quick question regarding this quote, are you referring to the time Thing/Simon fought and Thing tried to lift that big dumbell? Did we ever see Simon actually working out with that dumbell? Because we don't know if he would strain to lift it like Thing did.

The reason I ask this is because it wasn't Thing fighting Simon in that fight, it was Thing vs Simon AND Xemu. Every time Thing had Simon on the ropes, Xemu would jump in and run interference for Simon. In fact, he was the one that warped that weight around Thing giving Simon time to recover and renew his attack against Thing.

Didn't that dumbell only weigh 3 tons?

Originally posted by zopzop
You know we've argued before but I respect your opinion and see where you're coming from.

Quick question regarding this quote, are you referring to the time Thing/Simon fought and Thing tried to lift that big dumbell? Did we ever see Simon actually working out with that dumbell? Because we don't know if he would strain to lift it like Thing did.

The reason I ask this is because it wasn't Thing fighting Simon in that fight, it was Thing vs Simon AND Xemu. Every time Thing had Simon on the ropes, Xemu would jump in and run interference for Simon. In fact, he was the one that warped that weight around Thing giving Simon time to recover and renew his attack against Thing.

lol

zop, you of all people should know by now i never remember grudges and/or old arguments. but yeah, i was talking about the dumbbell scene. i know xemnu wrapped it, but i was always under the impression simon grabbed it with one hand and threw it. if i'm wrong about that it would be good to know since i've referenced that before. did you have some proof that simon was amped somehow or that xemnu did most of the lifting there...? i guess it's possible, i've just never seen proof that that was what happened. if ben was beating simon during the rest of the encounter though, then you've def got another point in your favor though there is the whole mind control thing....ben beat a puppet master controlled simon AND she-hulk once. just goes to show how mind control can cloud match ups....

regardless you've def made me rethink and remember some things here that have convinced me my initial assessment was incorrect.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol

zop, you of all people should know by now i never remember grudges and/or old arguments. but yeah, i was talking about the dumbbell scene. i know xemnu wrapped it, but i was always under the impression simon grabbed it with one hand and threw it. if i'm wrong about that it would be good to know since i've referenced that before. did you have some proof that simon was amped somehow or that xemnu did most of the lifting there...? i guess it's possible, i've just never seen proof that that was what happened. if ben was beating simon during the rest of the encounter though, then you've def got another point in your favor though there is the whole mind control thing....ben beat a puppet master controlled simon AND she-hulk once. just goes to show how mind control can cloud match ups....

regardless you've def made me rethink and remember some things here that have convinced me my initial assessment was incorrect.

fair enuff. 👆 looking at everything a little closer i'd say 7/10 is prolly closer to what would happen, depending on time out of water, environment and so on.

Your politeness sickens me.

Simon beats the fishman.

ZopZop knows better than to challenge my assesment!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Simon beats the fishman.

ZopZop knows better than to challenge my assesment!

We were cool but then you appointed yourself Leader of the House of El without any sort of vote!

From that day forward we became sworn enemies! starwars

Originally posted by zopzop
Silence!

We were cool but then you appointed yourself Leader of the House of El without any sort of vote!

From that day forward we became sworn enemies! starwars

I SEIZED the mantle of leadership in an hour of need!

Voting is unnecessary when you are the PEOPLE'S CHAMPION!

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Wait.....What? What scans?

Originally posted by -K-M-

Namor vs. Sentry, Iron Man, Ares and Wonder Man

1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-006_zps9e0c7783.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-007_zps7ddcbc32.jpg
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-008_zpsd371d25a.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-009_zps6d441b7d.jpg
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-011_zps2b9c88f6.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-012_zpsc998acb6.jpg
7. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-013_zps54b50b60.jpg
8. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AvengersInvanders-014_zps07213c29.jpg
*Keep in mind this is WW2 era Namor as well.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Namor takes a swordfish and makes Wonderman into Wonder Woman.

THEN Wonder Woman kills him.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, the abom fight wasn't pretty for simon, no doubt. but abom has also taken it to hulk several times. of course, he's also been literally one-shotted by herc and ko'd by logan. 😬 my point: not sure i'd look at fights vs abomination and give them TOO much credence tbh. namor also took care of him pretty easily underwater--as he should but i thought the fight was a lot closer on the surface. can't recall all the details though so maybe you remember better than i do.

there's also a scene where simon shows he dwarfs ben in strength, but we've seen ben and namor fight to virtual standstills many times. simon also had a great showing against thor once, and seemed to be the stronger (when GM and death were competing i think....) wm has also easily handled goliath/atlas a couple times and i find that more impressive than handling abomination.

all that said, you could be right and i may be short-changing namor some. maybe 6-6.5/10 would be a better guess....

Still taking Simon. Namor is too dumb to win. Just like this scan, if he was weakened, why not take the couple of seconds to fall into the water after Simon punched him? Sorry, Namors a dumbass and would lose.

Good point.

Originally posted by zopzop
You know the context behind that KO but, yes they did fight and Simon was getting schooled hardcore by Namor despite the fact that Ares and Sentry were there to assist Simon.

Again, you know this too since abhi provided the scans. But don't let that stop you from your trollish behavior.

They weren't trying to kill Namor at the time, only to subdue him. Hell, the Sentry himself thrashed Namor around an entire city block for a few panels before and surely could have killed him with ease if he didn't get called away (and that was just a pissed off Sentry teaching him a lesson). Even Namor with his ego and bravado knew he couldn't win, but only try. You act as though Namor is some God because of the WM, Ares, and Sentry encounter when its clear he isn't.

Simon wins.