Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman wins 8/10? Based on what?You think Thor is stronger yet Superman still wins? Why?
In terms of durability, endurance etc. they are comparable, and in this scenario they posses the same speed.
So why would you give Superman such a high majority?
I always gave Thor the majority over superman due to his exotic tricks (with his hammer) and the impact that the hammer hits at (planet destroying).
Even though I think thor is stronger, superman is more level headed than thor and he would think of a way of beating thor under these conditions.
Didnt superman just fight a kryptonian that possessed the same powers as him but thought his way through it and defeated him. Superman is just a fighting genous and again this battle falls in his favor.
Strenght: I give it to thor.
Blunt force trama: I give it to thor.
Smarts: goes to superman and without Thor not having the only advantage that he had with his hammer, he's not winning this.
Originally posted by carver9
I always gave Thor the majority over superman due to his exotic tricks (with his hammer) and the impact that the hammer hits at (planet destroying).Even though I think thor is stronger, superman is more level headed than thor and he would think of a way of beating thor under these conditions.
Didnt superman just fight a kryptonian that possessed the same powers as him but thought his way through it and defeated him. Superman is just a fighting genous and again this battle falls in his favor.
Strenght: I give it to thor.
Blunt force trama: I give it to thor.
Smarts: goes to superman and without Thor not having the only advantage that he had with his hammer, he's not winning this.
Thor can hit with planet shattering force. Mjolnir only add so much blunt force damage.
Exactly how what way would Superman think of beating Thor under these conditions? Just saying Superman will think of something and hope for the best won't work. Thor is a warrior born but as he has shown he is actually extremely level headed.
Superman defeated him using his superior hand to hand skill. Thor has been fighting for thousands and thousands of years, and unlike that Kryptonian, has mastered his powers, and has showings as an incredible hand to hand fighter. Superman might be a fighting genius compared to that Kryptonian, but compared to Thor? Heh.....
Like I said, how is Superman beating Thor. Especially 8 out of 10 majority?
You think Superman is smarter? Yes, Superman is more intelligent, but when it comes to combat aspects of such, Thor is the superior one.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor can hit with planet shattering force. Mjolnir only add so much blunt force damage.Exactly how what way would Superman think of beating Thor under these conditions? Just saying Superman will think of something and hope for the best won't work. Thor is a warrior born but as he has shown he is actually extremely level headed.
Superman defeated him using his superior hand to hand skill. Thor has been fighting for thousands and thousands of years, and unlike that Kryptonian, has mastered his powers, and has showings as an incredible hand to hand fighter. Superman might be a fighting genius compared to that Kryptonian, but compared to Thor? Heh.....
Like I said, how is Superman beating Thor. Especially 8 out of 10 majority?
You think Superman is smarter? Yes, Superman is more intelligent, but when it comes to combat aspects of such, Thor is the superior one.
This is going to sound crazy and I know you're going to light me up when I say this but honestly, I think that mjlonir adds a little spice to thors strength. I think it gives him a strength increase, thats my opinion though.
I cant explain why I think that superman would win this, I just see this in his favor. I know I went over the edge when I said 8/10 but I'll give supes at least a 6/10 and I'm basing this all off of witts,
BUT, if superman doesnt fight smart and try to go straight up with thor without being tacticle, he will die.
Originally posted by carver9
This is going to sound crazy and I know you're going to light me up when I say this but honestly, I think that mjlonir adds a little spice to thors strength. I think it gives him a strength increase, thats my opinion though.I cant explain why I think that superman would win this, I just see this in his favor. I know I went over the edge when I said 8/10 but I'll give supes at least a 6/10 and I'm basing this all off of witts,
BUT, if superman doesnt fight smart and try to go straight up with thor without being tacticle, he will die.
Well it's you're entitled to you're own opinion, and although I might disagree, I still respect it.
I still have to ask though, what are you basing it on? Where does it state, or suggest that Mjolnir increases Thor's strength in any way. He has strength feats, without Mjolnir in hand that rival the ones with Mjolnir in hand.
Well, again, you're entitled to you're own opinion. I just think that if anyone is winning this fight through wits, it will be Thor. He has thousands, upon thousands of combat experience, and has been fighting since man was in caves.
I think you are underestimating Superman a bit. I agree that Thor would win this fight, if nothing else, based on his experience, but I don't think it's that cut and dry. Superman can put Thor down, even if he went straight toe to toe, but Thor's superior resilience to injury/pain etc. along with his experience, should allow him to take the win, but Superman can definitely win this fight, and I can see an argument being made for him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well it's you're entitled to you're own opinion, and although I might disagree, I still respect it.I still have to ask though, what are you basing it on? Where does it state, or suggest that Mjolnir increases Thor's strength in any way. He has strength feats, without Mjolnir in hand that rival the ones with Mjolnir in hand.
Well, again, you're entitled to you're own opinion. I just think that if anyone is winning this fight through wits, it will be Thor. He has thousands, upon thousands of combat experience, and has been fighting since man was in caves.
I think you are underestimating Superman a bit. I agree that Thor would win this fight, if nothing else, based on his experience, but I don't think it's that cut and dry. Superman can put Thor down, even if he went straight toe to toe, but Thor's superior resilience to injury/pain etc. along with his experience, should allow him to take the win, but Superman can definitely win this fight, and I can see an argument being made for him.
Naah, I'm not underestimating supes, thats why I'm giving him the edge in this fight, I know what he's capable of and I also know that supes could pull some wins.
The only reason I said that supes would get killed if he didnt use his wits and just go straight up with thor is because of thor damage soak. He has some of the best damage soak in comics and behind him is wonder woman. You basically almost have to kill thor in order to beat him half of the time. He has rare cases of being one shotted (has he ever been one shotted in up to date comics) and he has rare cases of being defeated.
Now a superman that is fighting smart could get past that like he has always shown to do. I kind of look at this fight like spiderman vs venom, even though venom is stronger and more durable, spiderman wits always gives him the win.
Look at the resent story, when they went back to thors child hood. Thor in the beginning possessed asgardian strength but when he picked up mjlonir, he was toppling trolls and frost giants. Its my guess though and i really dont have any on panel proof to back my statement up, so I'm basically going to leave it alone.
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, I'm not underestimating supes, thats why I'm giving him the edge in this fight, I know what he's capable of and I also know that supes could pull some wins.
I believe you’re underestimating him a bit physically. You just made it seem so cut and dry. He fights Thor, straight up and he will die. That’s all. I know, I was nit picking a bit. Lol. Still don’t understand why Superman would win this fight. According to you Thor is superior physically, he has more experience, but somehow Superman wins through wit?
Originally posted by carver9
The only reason I said that supes would get killed if he didnt use his wits and just go straight up with thor is because of thor damage soak. He has some of the best damage soak in comics and behind him is wonder woman. You basically almost have to kill thor in order to beat him half of the time. He has rare cases of being one shotted (has he ever been one shotted in up to date comics) and he has rare cases of being defeated.
I agree. Thor has incredibly damage soak and resilience to pain/injury. Hell, his tanked hits from Odin, Galactus, Celestials etc. I don’t recall Thor being one shotted. At least not off the top of my head.
Originally posted by carver9
Now a superman that is fighting smart could get past that like he has always shown to do. I kind of look at this fight like spiderman vs venom, even though venom is stronger and more durable, spiderman wits always gives him the win.
How does Superman get past that pray tell? Superman is not the only one to defeats beings who have the advantage. Thor does it just as much or even more than Superman. How would Superman fighting smart allow him to defeat Thor? I mean he isn’t fighting some Kryptonian who has the skill advantage over, and has the experience advantage over. Thor has a lot more experience than Superman, and if anyone is the superior fighter here, it’s Thor.
Faulty comparison there by the way. Venom is a blood thirsty, psychopath with specific weaknesses. Of course Spider-Man can outsmart him and defeat him. He also does it to Rhino.
Originally posted by carver9
Look at the resent story, when they went back to thors child hood. Thor in the beginning possessed asgardian strength but when he picked up mjlonir, he was toppling trolls and frost giants. Its my guess though and i really dont have any on panel proof to back my statement up, so I'm basically going to leave it alone.
Thor’s never possessed regular Asgardian level strength. His own natural strength is way beyond any Asgardian. That’s why regular Asgardians are class 40 at best, and Thor’s strength is incalculable even with Mjolnir. That’s why he can stalemate an enraged Hulk for hours on end in a contest of pure strength without so much as faltering and tiring, despite Hulk’s constant and rapid rise in strength, without Mjolnir. Mjolnir doesn’t boost his strength in anyway.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I believe you’re underestimating him a bit physically. You just made it seem so cut and dry. He fights Thor, straight up and he will die. That’s all. I know, I was nit picking a bit. Lol. Still don’t understand why Superman would win this fight. According to you Thor is superior physically, he has more experience, but somehow Superman wins through wit?I agree. Thor has incredibly damage soak and resilience to pain/injury. Hell, his tanked hits from Odin, Galactus, Celestials etc. I don’t recall Thor being one shotted. At least not off the top of my head.
How does Superman get past that pray tell? Superman is not the only one to defeats beings who have the advantage. Thor does it just as much or even more than Superman. How would Superman fighting smart allow him to defeat Thor? I mean he isn’t fighting some Kryptonian who has the skill advantage over, and has the experience advantage over. Thor has a lot more experience than Superman, and if anyone is the superior fighter here, it’s Thor.
Faulty comparison there by the way. Venom is a blood thirsty, psychopath with specific weaknesses. Of course Spider-Man can outsmart him and defeat him. He also does it to Rhino.
Thor’s never possessed regular Asgardian level strength. His own natural strength is way beyond any Asgardian. That’s why regular Asgardians are class 40 at best, and Thor’s strength is incalculable even with Mjolnir. That’s why he can stalemate an enraged Hulk for hours on end in a contest of pure strength without so much as faltering and tiring, despite Hulk’s constant and rapid rise in strength, without Mjolnir. Mjolnir doesn’t boost his strength in anyway.
I know I made it seem cut and dry, didnt try to make it sound like that. I know for a fact that superman would give him a fight but thor would have the advantage if supes fought him straight up (due to strength, damage soak, and fighting skill).
Please dont let me name everyone that superman has defeated by outwitting them and basically putting together a strategic plan. Superman WILL find a way to beat thor.
I think classic thor was one shotted by Iron man in the past (I forgot which book it was) but we all know that was pis and a low showing on thors part due to his past and present showings.
Who has Thor defeated that is more power than him? While you're answering that question, make sure you think on it, think of Thor power and capabilities.
The comparison with spiderman and Venom wasnt faulty at all. Spiderman has physically taken down venom before, numerous of times. Even though venom is a psychopath, he is a good brawler and use the symbiote right (sometimes).
Disregard my comment on thors strength and mjlonir because I dont have any kind of on panel proof to back my statement up.
Originally posted by carver9
I know I made it seem cut and dry, didnt try to make it sound like that. I know for a fact that superman would give him a fight but thor would have the advantage if supes fought him straight up (due to strength, damage soak, and fighting skill).
Fair enough.
Originally posted by carver9
Please dont let me name everyone that superman has defeated by outwitting them and basically putting together a strategic plan. Superman WILL find a way to beat thor.
Superman will find a way to beat Thor? How? They posses no weapons hear. They square off from each other and enter combat. No outside interference or any tools are available here. Picture it like a cage match if you will. So how will Superman win exactly? You can’t just say Superman will find a way to win, and just leave it at that. It’s not as if Thor hasn’t outsmarted opponents as well.
Originally posted by carver9
I think classic thor was one shotted by Iron man in the past (I forgot which book it was) but we all know that was pis and a low showing on thors part due to his past and present showings.
When did Iron Man one shot Thor? Don’t recall that. Either way like you said, it would be plot induced stupidity.
Originally posted by carver9
Who has Thor defeated that is more power than him? While you're answering that question, make sure you think on it, think of Thor power and capabilities.
Umm besides the likse of Galactus, Mangog, Thanos, and other such powerful beings, he has defeated opponents by outsmarting them as well.
When he was cursed by Hela to have brittle bones and be unable to die, he fought the Absorbing Man who when absorbed the properties of Uru, crushed Thor’s entire rib cage. Thor could barely breathe and less so move, yet he was able to defeat the Absorbing Man as I recall.
Originally posted by carver9
The comparison with spiderman and Venom wasnt faulty at all. Spiderman has physically taken down venom before, numerous of times. Even though venom is a psychopath, he is a good brawler and use the symbiote right (sometimes).
You brought up Spider-Man defeating Venom by using his wits. Venom is murderous psychopath with specific weaknesses. That’s why it was faulty.
Originally posted by carver9
Disregard my comment on thors strength and mjlonir because I dont have any kind of on panel proof to back my statement up.
Understood.