Originally posted by Avlon
Let me see Thor turn a coal into diamond through sheer strength. Or punch with planet shattering force on his own.The maggedon and Midgard serpent examples are old, though the mageddon is still more impressive.
The only time Thor attempted to turn coal into diamond, was when he was under mind control. So that doesn't count. Doesn't mean he can't do it. Thor generated so much pressure/strength with his hands, that he turned Uru, into nothing but metallic dust. That in my opinion is greater than turning coal into diamond. Thor can hit with planet shattering force on his own. Mjolnir doesn't increase his strength by the way. Even the Thor lite, Beta Ray Bill, generated so much force from a single blow, that the shock wave completely annihilated a planet.
In your opinion it's more impressive. The World Engine feat, is more impressive than either, in my opinion. Either way, both of them are pretty unquantifiable. We know that their incredible showings of strength, we just don't know at what level. Like I said, in terms of feats, of strength, Thor can match Superman.
Originally posted by Avlon
Prove it. Let me see Thor use things like flips, pressure points, vibrating intangible and invisible..etc.
What do I need to prove? It's clear Thor has more experience. Do you know who Thor is?
Vibrating intangible and invisible? That's like me asking to show, Superman, stealing someone's life force, or something along those lines. Superman has the superior speed, so of course he would be able to accomplish in that category what Thor cannot. What does that have to do with fighting/brawling skill?
Don't confuse, different types of fighting style, with less fighting skill.
As Thor has shown when he kicked, Fenris, and Loki's ass while they were amped with copy Mjolnir's, without letting them touch him once, that in terms of hand to hand combat, his a beast.
He manhandled Drax, and Maxam, with his superior hand to hand combat. His defeated Ares with his superior skill. He almost knocked out Juggernaut by using his superior fighting skills. He defeated Grog the God Crusher, while practically powerless and mortal, with his hand to hand combat skills alone. I even remember once, the Absorbing Man, absorbed Thor's powers, but he said, what good are his powers, if he can't even touch Thor. Thor is more of a brawler, than a martial artist, so he might not be as flashy as other fighters, but that doesn't mean he isn't as good or even better in fighting.
That's why Captain America himself said Thor is a master combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war. Thor's been fighting since he can walk, and has shown tremendous fighting skill even as a child.
If anyone is the better fighter here, it's definitely, Thor.
Originally posted by Avlon
Sure is. "No, he isn't" is not an argument. I've seen Supes pull off nightwing-eque maneuvers on on more than one occasion.
Just because Superman fights differently doesn't mean his more agile. Thor has shown feats of amazing agility, with the his jumps, and dodges etc. Thor shows incredible feats of agility all the time. Hell, his punked a horde of Frost Giant's, with his agility. Besides Thor has also done Nightwing like maneuvers in the past. With his agility his punked Hulk despite his amazing reflexes in the past.
Originally posted by Avlon
The fact that he needed to be gimped pretty much tells the story.
Superman has superior speed, but Thor is a lot more powerful. I took away both their advantages.
