Originally posted by jalek moye
when?and are you sure he isn't atleast part human? werent his parents and brother human?
and why the hell does marvel consider him a mutant if hes not even human
He is a mutant he just a mutant of the race of lupins which romulas was the first of the kind.
* i think, mr.battlehammer here was stating the defunct origin of Wolverine where he was once considered as a literal wolverine animal who evolved into a human... which was before he was branded as a mutant...
Wolverine's first intended originDespite misreadings that suggest co-creator Len Wein originally intended for Logan to be a mutated wolverine cub, evolved to humanoid form by the High Evolutionary, Wein emphatically denies this:
“While I readily admit that my original idea was for Wolvie's claws to extend from the backs of his gloves ... I absolutely did not ever intend to make Logan a mutated wolverine. I write stories about human beings, not evolved animals (with apologies for any story I may have written that involved the High Evolutionary). The mutated wolverine thing came about long after I was no longer involved with the book. I'm not certain if the idea was first suggested by Chris Claremont, the late, much-missed Dave Cockrum, or John Byrne when he came aboard as artist, but it most certainly did not start with me.”
In X-Men #98 (April 1976), a biological analysis of Wolverine suggests that he was in some way different from the other X-Men, and in X-Men #103, Wolverine says he does not believe in leprechauns, to which the leprechaun replies, "Maybe leprechauns don't believe in talkin' wolverines, either."
In an article about the evolution of Wolverine included in a 1986 reprint of The Incredible Hulk #180-181, titled Incredible Hulk and Wolverine, Cockrum is quoted as saying that he considered having the High Evolutionary play a vital role in making Wolverine a human. Writer Wein wanted Wolverine to be the age of a young adult, with superhuman strength and agility similar to Spider-Man. This changed when Wein saw Cockrum's drawing of the unmasked Wolverine as a hairy 40-year-old. Wein originally intended the claws to be retractable and part of Wolverine's gloves, and both gloves and claws would be made of adamantium. Chris Claremont eventually revealed that they were an integrated part of Wolverine's anatomy in X-Men #98 (April 1976).
* an excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics)/
Originally posted by peejayd
* i think, mr.battlehammer here was stating the defunct origin of Wolverine where he was once considered as a literal wolverine animal who evolved into a human... which was before he was branded as a mutant...* an excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics)/
Lupine or not his mutation still has drewbacks which makes him a non-Alpha. The healing factor "heals" his mind giving him memory loss. The claws causes him constant pain (or are they a lupine trait too?)
In short, he is flawed. So are humans too ofc, but not because of x-gene mutation.
Why this desperate need to see Wolvie rated as an Alpha? Hope to see him revealed as Omega some day?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
nope I wasent. I am talking about the issue leading up to the death of sabre-tooth through out the arc you find out that they are both part of the lupin race. also why would I state romulas if I was talking about an idea that took place 20 years ago and was never used.
* well, i haven't heard that yet...
* it was already stated that Wolverine is a Beta-level mutant, from Jubilee herself... in 616 universe...
* you see, Beta or not, Wolverine already enjoys enough popularity in the Marvel universe so this is really no big deal... it's not against him but it's just an assessment of his genetic mutation level or sort of...
Originally posted by peejayd
* well, i haven't heard that yet...* it was already stated that Wolverine is a Beta-level mutant, from Jubilee herself... in 616 universe...
* you see, Beta or not, Wolverine already enjoys enough popularity in the Marvel universe so this is really no big deal... it's not against him but it's just an assessment of his genetic mutation level or sort of...
No wolverine is not he an alpha which has been stated numerous times
thats becauses you dont read wolverine comics
Originally posted by Mshinu
Lupine or not his mutation still has drewbacks which makes him a non-Alpha. The healing factor "heals" his mind giving him memory loss. The claws causes him constant pain (or are they a lupine trait too?)
Originally posted by Mshinu
short, he is flawed. So are humans too ofc, but not because of x-gene mutation.Why this desperate need to see Wolvie rated as an Alpha? Hope to see him revealed as Omega some day?
Actaully alpha cna be flawed as well there flaws are just not major.
How am I the one being deperate here? I am basing my claims of on pannel evideances not some crap I found on wiki. why are you so desperate for wolverine to be beta even though the controdicts dirrect comic statements.
One cant become an omega it impossiable your either one or your not nor would I want wolverine to be one or care.
Originally posted by KingD19
Actually, Alphas have no flaws regarding their power or anything else, which is why they're Alpha.There have also been instances where his memories were so painful, his brain healed them, which would also make him a beta.
actaully it was one instances when he was a kid and a tramatic expereinces occured the death of his father. This is not a mutant flaw in his powers, this can happen to anyone when at sucha young age there see such an event. That far from being a flaw in his powers.
also again on pannel statements>>>>>wiki or any crap you wanna come up with.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully it was one instances when he was a kid and a tramatic expereinces occured the death of his father. This is not a mutant flaw in his powers, this can happen to anyone when at sucha young age there see such an event. That far from being a flaw in his powers.
Just one instance? Hell no. What about Cyber killing Janet?
Also, AoA alpha mutant definition can differ from Jubilee's alpha mutant definition.
Does Wolverine have complete control over his mutant power? No. He prevented his hair from growing back, but that's all. He can't cancel his HF. It was stated on panel - Didn't ask for a healing factor, pal. No matter what I do to it, body just won't quit.
I'm really sorry for bringing back an old thread but, what issue of which title is this from?
Originally posted by Silke
Professor Xavier: "You did of course, request that she define the levels of mutation."Emma Frost: "That's beside the point. You know full well the girl disrupts my class with her attention seeking nuisances. Now I can't even grade her papers without hearing her voice grinding my nerves through the page. Charles, she insists on her pithy doodles and scribblings so much that I can barely read what she's supposed to have written."
Professor Xavier: "I don't know, I think it's a rather splendid description of mutation as we understand it. Perhaps we should use Jubilation's explanation as a standard."
Emma Frost: "You can't be serious..."