Originally posted by jaden101
You never know. Tupac has released more stuff since he's been dead than he did when he was alive.
I heard on the radio today that Michael Jackson has about a hundred unreleased songs that will be released in order to pay off his huge debt of four hundred plus million dollars. The songs were written for his kids and friends they said.
So the killer could have been an exceeded dose of demerol I read. Considering his frail body along with his will to regain fitness for the UK gigs, he could have opted for a higher dose, that caused him to kick the buck.
Wherever that private doctor went when he went missing, I would speculate his lawyer/attorney/solicitor.
I would think this thread belongs here -
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=64
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Okey doke.Now Im talking about what we SAW in documentaries and testimony from Jackson's longtime manager, from Chandler's uncle and leaked court details.
A paedophile he definitely was.
Paedo (Child) Phile (Lover). Toooooooooo much evidence that we've all seen in the 1st Bashir doc and the ch4 documentary featuring his manager, recently, Im afraid.
Someone who is unnaturally obsessed with other people's children.
Now what you are talking about, is "was he a child molestor"...right?Well there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he was. Yes.
Im not exactly revelling either, but merely posting a balancist reaction to the whitewashing gushing that is going on in the press right now.
A very good question that hasnt really been addressed since posted.
Unfortunately I think that your definition of the word 'pedophile' is a little out, as far as I'm aware it means 'an adult who is sexually attracted to children'. There's a distinct difference between that and 'child lover'.
So although it is clear that he was 'unnaturally obsessed' with children it's never been proved unequivocally that he was sexually attracted to them or physically abused them, right? Therefore I still don't agree with him being written off as a pedophile or with people using that as their excuse to enjoy the jokes that are circulating following his death, because again, I personally see that as grossly inappropriate behavior, which was my original issue.
Just to clarify, I'm not an MJ superfan, just someone who clearly doesn't have the greatest sense of humour 🙂
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Pick one.
You mean all those personal life choice "things" that had **** all to do with absolutely anyone else, things?
Do you see where I'm going?
Picking on him for being different is no different than doing it to anybody. It's wrong in any scenario, with any person.
If you mean the fact that it was proposed he touched kids inappropriately; he was cleared of all charges, multiple times. The fact that he paid off one of the accusers does not reflect badly on him, but on the parents for taking it. It's entirely likely that HE wanted it to just be over, whilst they obviously only wanted money.
So what exactly do you think made him worthy of being "****ed with"? You say it's nothing personal, but if that be the case, then why suggest he deserves to be ****ed with for things that were nobody's business?
At times, I admit, he didn't help himself (The baby dangling incident), but so what? People were gonna **** with the guy regardless.
There are people here who have openly critiqued you for your choice of aged female and your romantic situations. People here have found it weird that you'd go for a girl 10 years (?) or more younger than you, but what business is it of anybody's, so long as you are happy, she is happy, and nobody is being harmed? NOBODY'S business. That's what. Afford Jackson the same courtesy or be quiet.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Someone who is unnaturally obsessed with other people's children.
Now what you are talking about, is "was he a child molestor"...right?Well there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he was. Yes.
Like what? His "unnatural obsession" with children? That's all it was, at worst. That's all we have evidence of, and that is none of our business.
Some people love furries, who gives a shit? They're not hurting anyone. If his "unnatural obsession" lead to nothing more than letting them spend time at his ranch and lavishing them with adoration and gifts, then let his behavior be a lesson to the kind of parents who sent their kids there in hopes of conning the man out of his money. Because there's nothing wrong with that.
There isn't enough evidence to suggest that a leap from "He loved kids too much." and "He abused them sexually." is a fine one to make, fact.
Loving children that aren't your own does not make you a paedophile.
Furthermore, it worries me that people continue to insist or persist with the idea that he was. Like, you'd think it would be pleasing to see that courts didn't have enough credible evidence or testimony to convince themselves he was guilty, but no. It's almost as if they feel it's a shame he wasn't a paedophile, because then they'd have "got" him.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well the evidence that Jackson feared coming to light in the Chandler case was damning.16 million dollars worth of damning.
So the analogy stands.
Really?
Scenario: Michael Jackson abused your child. How much could you be paid off for? 10 mill, 16 mill, none?
Precisely. If you are after justice, no money can pay you off unless it's what you were after in the first place.
So, no. The pay off doesn't prove anything other than Jackson wanting the trial over, which could be for MANY reasons, some of them innocent. It also proves that the parents of Chandler were willing to let it be over for 16 million, and that proves that they're ****ing scumbag liars.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
.........So, no. The pay off doesn't prove anything other than Jackson wanting the trial over, which could be for MANY reasons, some of them innocent. It also proves that the parents of Chandler were willing to let it be over for 16 million, and that proves that they're ****ing scumbag liars................
-AC
Totally agree with that, if my child was abused I´d want the abuser hung drawn and quartered, no matter what he offered me.
Originally posted by Ahsoka Tano
I would think this thread belongs here -http://www.killermovies.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=64
No, HERE
Because he probably isn´t dead and is either on the beach with Elvis, in a space ship or is going to make a surprise comebackl:= 😱 😆
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriLike what? His "unnatural obsession" with children? That's all it was, at worst. That's all we have evidence of, and that is none of our business.
Some people love furries, who gives a shit? They're not hurting anyone. If his "unnatural obsession" lead to nothing more than letting them spend time at his ranch and lavishing them with adoration and gifts,
By his own admission, he slept in the same bed as some of the children who stayed at Neverland. This is a huge error in judgement. If it were a regular non-famous adult who had children staying at his house and sleeping in the same bed then I would question whether or not you would have the same opinion of them.
Originally posted by jaden101
By his own admission, he slept in the same bed as some of the children who stayed at Neverland. This is a huge error in judgement. If it were a regular non-famous adult who had children staying at his house and sleeping in the same bed then I would question whether or not you would have the same opinion of them.
My opinion would be the same.
"That's a bit weird.". Weird because it's not usually done.
So what? It doesn't mean anything. Lots of people do weird things that I don't understand. As long as nobody got hurt or abused unwillingly, who cares?
The saying is "Innocent until proven guilty", he's never been proven guilty and there's a lot of evidence to suggest people were after his cash or to set him up. The pay off damages the parents' case more than Jackson's case. There's a chance people in the media would have even paid more than Jackson to see them release the info and evidence, than he paid to supposedly shut them up. So that also goes against them.
People say "Ultimately, nobody knows besides Jackson and those kids.". True, so let's accept what facts there are. Let's stop digging "BUT he COULD have done it...". Because where does that get us? Nowhere. It's dumb.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriHey, MJ knew what he was doing when he made those "choices", he's a big boy, and he knew that people would talk about him when he did the things he did. I have nothing against him personally, but if someone acts outrageous, people are gonna notice and talk. It's not like I am pointing at a kid with Downs syndrome and laughing at them.
You mean all those personal life choice "things" that had **** all to do with absolutely anyone else, things?Do you see where I'm going?
Picking on him for being different is no different than doing it to anybody. It's wrong in any scenario, with any person.
-AC
What if this were a Kobe Bryant thread, and I made a rape joke? Or if it were a Richard Gere thread, and I made a gerbil joke? Or if it were a Will Smith thread and I made a joke about swingers? Would it be the same? Would you quote me and scold me then?
I feel like an ass for it, solely for the reason that he is dead, but that's it.