Transformers 2 reviews, what did everyone think?

Started by nimbus00615 pages

Originally posted by dadudemon
Simple.

He was low on energy.

Flying through physical space costs a lot less energy than going through a portal that bends space and time. It's like walking instead of running as fast as you can...that's the whole point of using wormholes for FTL travel. In "linear" space, it would take more than an infinite amount of energy to travel faster than the speed of light.]

Yes, that's all good in theory, but the process of doing so hasn't been fully understood yet. In order to create a "worm hole" we would have to fire a beam of energy at a single point in space to tear said hole in it's fabric. However, the amount of energy is thought to be enourmous, and we still don't know how much is actually required.

Besides, who said anything about traveling faster than light speed? The only thing he mentioned was flying at, or above mach 3.

Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]Simple.
If it wasn't the lesser energy choice, why did he do it? And if he didn't care, as I pointed out before, that it used up more energy, then that is obviously to save as much time as possible because saving an entire planet with billions of organisms is better than a Transformer that will go back into shutdown mode because he ran out of energy again.

I'm not arguing that it was stupid or illogical to use teleporation. I had no issue with it. All I'm saying is that I don't believe flying at mach speeds to Egypt requires more energy than ripping a hole in space/time and teleporting.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
In this movie there is no alternate universe or timeline!!!! Granted they can exist but in this movie no frigin way, there isn't even any reference to it. and if that is what people need to do to make this crappy movie work then go for it.
Granted a lot of movies out there you need to let your mind go when you see them which is fine, (example shoot em'up) but the mistakes and errors and the way this movie was put together with the mind numbing explosions after explosion made it bad.
Believe me my mind was let go when i went in and it still sucked.

There doesn't need to be references to it. I'm not saying alternate reality resolves all of the movie's problems, but that's essentially what it is. An alternate, fictional, reality.

Did you guys read the article about 10 plot holes in ROTF? The guy who wrote that's an idiot. Ever single one of those were either explained in the movie, or could be solved by common sense.

Link?

It sounds as bad as the one for Terminator: Salvation.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
There doesn't need to be references to it. I'm not saying alternate reality resolves all of the movie's problems, but that's essentially what it is. An alternate, fictional, reality.

As i said before if you have to make up and alternate reality to make this peice of sh1t work then go for it, but it is most definatly NOT an alternate reality.

here is the link
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
a lot of them are good questions
ones i agree with
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3 not at all, but i was asking myself how come the pressure is not crushing them
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6 besides the transformers having kids comment.
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10 besides sams hand being bandaged, he injured it in a car accident i think so they wrote it in and Megan fox applied it after the stupid space bridge portal jump to egypt cause he injured it in the jump.

The Laurentian Abyss

In the 2007 film Transformers, the remains of Megatron and the other defeated Decepticons are dropped into the abyss. It is theorized that the pressure and extremely low temperatures at this depth would crush and bury the evil alien robots. However, the film erroneously states that the abyss is the deepest point on Earth; the actual deepest point is the Challenger Deep, a section of the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean.

I don't know how the movie companies can mess up this bad all it takes is 10 seconds to look online to find info like this out. or just one sentence to fix the problem

I thought the prime thing meant like a "leader class". It wasn't as apparent in the first movie but Optimus was a flying badass in this one, literally in the end, so it made sense. But the Fallen's implications made it seem like there was something special about Optimus himself, which knocked my theories off track. Transformer culture is weird in the movie though, and in most mediums, with a lot of robot spirituality and stuff.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
As i said before if you have to make up and alternate reality to make this peice of sh1t work then go for it, but it is most definatly NOT an alternate reality.

Then... Why didn't Transformers exist in the movie? The show/comic/toyline. Who's President Keller?

Like I said in the post you replied to saying an alternate reality doesn't resolve the problems, I'm not saying an alternate reality resolves all the problems. I'm just saying the more it's mentioned the more it seems like this, and almost all movies, could pretty much be placed in alternate realities, most of which would be based on our own.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Yes, that's all good in theory, but the process of doing so hasn't been fully understood yet. In order to create a "worm hole" we would have to fire a beam of energy at a single point in space to tear said hole in it's fabric. However, the amount of energy is thought to be enourmous, and we still don't know how much is actually required.

Besides, who said anything about traveling faster than light speed? The only thing he mentioned was flying at, or above mach 3.

Could easily be done with the manipulation of exotic matter or some unknown multidimensional resonance technique. Fact is, their technology is vastly superior to ours.

I posted this in another thread, but a "Robot" with strong enough processing power to hack the entirety of the Pentagon's database in mere seconds would also have the processing power to "fight" at such an alarming and efficient pace that even in extreme slow mo, we would have a hard time analyzing what was going on. The world would barely move, in perception to this Robot. But, it's a movie, and you just have to take the bad with the good.

They can teleport and their processors are trillions of times faster than ours, but their fighting ability is limited to "human" standards. Go figure. 😬

Originally posted by nimbus006
I'm not arguing that it was stupid or illogical to use teleporation. I had no issue with it. All I'm saying is that I don't believe flying at mach speeds to Egypt requires more energy than ripping a hole in space/time and teleporting.

But it obviously doesn't, or else he would have done it, right? 😉

In this particular case, it doesn't seem like PIS at all. It seems like it was paying homage to space bridge technology found in multiple transformer series...it was for the fans and also a plot device...it's more believable to a layman that their best choice was teleporting instead of flying all of those people and Transformers at mach 3-4.

And, no, there's no reason to conclude that it takes more energy, even theoretically. Based on what we have from the film, we can only conclude that it took less...and it was faster.

Doesn't he mention his jets are F'd up?

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
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Then... Why didn't Transformers exist in the movie? The show/comic/toyline. Who's President Keller?
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OMG!!!!! Are you frigin serious!!!! This isn't spaceballs or Jurassic park....where they have their own toys and memorabilia in the movie!
That would be stupid if they did something like that showing a kid playing with a transformer in the movie of course there wouldn't be any comics/show/toylines in the movie. Fictitious people I can deal with, quite obviously he is meant to be Bush! but they probably don't want to deal with the issues with putting his likeness in the movie.
If they were to of said some fictitious museum some where then i wouldn't have a problem with it. Just like Mission City in the first movie you can disregard it cause it doesn't exist, but as soon as you mention a real place then you are bound to it!

EVERYONE READ!

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html
I will go down that guy's 10 points.

1. In "Transformers," there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles -- excuse me, Mission City -- that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage? Also, didn't Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by "a technological civilization far superior to our own"? How did they spin that?

1. I agree with this point. That big massive robot literally ran over many cars and killed dozens of humans. No covering that up.

2. There are two pieces of the Allspark cube left: the military has one under lock and key, and Sam discovers another. The Decepticons steal one and bring Megatron back to life. But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus, he has to find the Matrix of Leadership on the other side of the globe. Why not use the other piece? Mikaela (Megan Fox) has it in her backpack the whole time. It brought his kitchen appliances to life, why can't it do the same for Optimus?

2. He's a moron. How are they supposed to know that that's what the piece of the allspark can do? Obviously, neither the Autobots nor Sam and crew knew that the Allspark could be re-purposed for that.

3. Speaking of Megatron's rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little "Doctor" robot popped out down there, but he's about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar?

3. Duh. The other guy wasn't killed, his legs were ripped off, that's it. We see, many times, that the removal of limbs does not kill a Transformer.

4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor's German accent -- and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents -- why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn't he just get his eyes adjusted? You'd think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure.

4. No, as these Transformers need magnification assistance, too. It's the whole thing about bending light to make images smaller or larger. Why would he want to permanently adjust his "sight" to make everything too close up? Simple: the little dude would NOT want to do that. He would want normal vision and then increased vision during examinations. By his logic, why don't surgeons get eye surgery to permanently adjust their vision to make everything super up-close?

5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him. And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn't it fixed at the end of the last movie?

5. This is a retarded point. Very retarded. He didn't pay attention in the movie, obviously. Bumblebee was trying to prevent Sam from cheating, you moron! Ergo, the various humorous songs he was playing about cheating! DUH! You idiot.

6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids? And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead? And if the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the originals just gang up on him back in the day? And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen?

6. Wow. This guy is a tard. Of course they have "kids". Did he miss the whole part where Megatron is literally growing many new decepticons? Or did he miss that entire point to the plot?

And only a prime could take out a Prime for some unknown reason...or it could have been like a belief system thing, similar to religion. Not because of power, but because of something inherent in their design. It could be that there's an uncontrollable "political" system in place that allows a prime to take out another prime when they go bad. And, Megatron didn't "beat him earlier" either. Optimus was taking on 3, THREE, decepticons at once! He lost to three decepticons, not one. And the originals probably did try to, but he obviously hid away or evaded them, somehow.

That part is not explained, but we do know that the only way they could avoid the matrix falling into the wrong hands was to hide it away. The Fallen had a massive army of decepticons, idiot. I guess he didn't pay attention there, either. 😐

7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)?

7. Obviously, this occurred because someone like the director wanted the boneyard to be right outside the DC museum. It was a "shot" that someone didn't care if it had something so stupid. In order for someone to be that aware of the "boneyard" to put it into a shot, it was obviosly beacuse they liked it and thought it would do well for that scene. So much for getting a certain look, right? Most people are not aware of the "boneyard"'s location, so this point really doesn't matter since it was intentional.

8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, [bla bla bla about wrong geography...]

8. I agree on all points, but it seems this guy lost track of "jus making a story, geographic facts be damned as it wastes too much time".

9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?!

9. I've already explained this point a million times to a certain poster.

10. Where does Sam's bandage come from? What about his extra sock? Why does Sam's roommate not contribute anything at all? What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice? How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg? Why do we have to see John Turturro's thong? Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time? Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them? Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it? Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen's hand than in Sam's? And how do Mikaela's pants stay so clean?

10. He had bumblebee with him, the two other gangster robots, and Jetfire. I am putting my bet that in one of their vehicles was a first aid kit...you know, what you're supposed to have in your car anyway? This point is nitpicking for the sake of douchery...

His roommate got caught up in a mess that he didn't want to get caught up in. You can't complain about factual evidence being wrong because you don't understand that sometimes, plot comes before fact in a film in order to keep it interesting, while then also criticizing a portion of the plot that was due to keeping things believable.

The Fallen was chillin' in his chair, on that ship, duh.

It's a government satellite. And, since pretty much all of the "internet" is connect to just about every networked computer, directly or indirectly, all he'd have to do is use a satellite that had a link to the internet and then everything else would be accessible.

Wheelie humps her leg because that was his only way to show her, as he thought, that he liked her. He didn't understand human relations too well, so he thought that that was a the correct way to show her that he appreciated her being nice. He is an alien AI robot from outer-space, remember?

We don't. The dude is supposed to be weird, eccentric. That scene was to show you how far he was out there, while also adding comedy.

A mistake or they are clones. Duh.

You idiot. Our weapons certainly do cause them plenty of damage. Now he's just grasping.

You just made a point about our weapons being ineffective, but now you're saying that an ancient people, without ballistic technologies, should have destroyed a MASSIVE weapon? Make up your mind, idiot. And they wouldn't destroy it because they were sun worshippers and it was easier to build a large tomb for their pharaohs around the sun weapon. 🙂 (It's a stretch, I know...but it's fun.)

The matrix expands in size once a Prime holds it. 🙂 It becomes less dense, per unit volume, however, as it creates a microscopic "waffling" effect, in order to accomplish this almost instant expansion. 🙂

Mikaela's pants stay clean for the same reason that women usually wake up with their makeup perfectly done with their hair styled, etc. I guess this was the first movie he ever watched to not know something this simple. 🙂

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html

1. Agree with

2. I'm not sure. He seemed aware the communications were being monitored at one point. Maybe he didn't think the whole piece would be used, which is what I was thinking until Jetfire sucked it up.

3. I couldn't tell but he could of hitched a ride with one of the others, like before. They would of showed up at one mass.

4. I assumed they were for different vision modes, like the Predator or something.

5. I didn't think there was anything weird about taking the form of a human, but I did wonder about the crushing thing. She didn't exactly belly flop on anything though and when she expanded she seemed to be pretty hollow.

6. Obviously the Transformers aren't going around screwing and giving birth like people. It could of been some kind of destiny thing or something. For a race of robots, they seem deeply rooted in religion.

7. It was in Virgina, but oh well. It was interesting watching Jetfire trip over all the old planes and fit well in the movie. B'AAAWWWWWW.

8. Boohoo, geography! I don't deny he's right, but still, boohoo. It wasn't detrimental to the story. The guy at the NEST headquarters said only the guys in the one area couldn't radio out. I remember this because he made an odd point of making it very clear that that was the situation. Also, experimental railguns get a range bonus from having "experimental" and "railgun" in their name. And Devestator was the size of the moon and pretty stationary. The only thing that I was surprised about was that the Agent guy didn't get killed by shrapnel.

9. He had that cube **** in him. Plus the leadership matrix dust.

10. He probably got his bandages from Bumblebee. His parents seemed like the type that would have him prepare like that. A lot of this one is just minor nitpicking.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
OMG!!!!! Are you frigin serious!!!! This isn't spaceballs or Jurassic park....where they have their own toys and memorabilia in the movie!
That would be stupid if they did something like that showing a kid playing with a transformer in the movie of course there wouldn't be any comics/show/toylines in the movie. Fictitious people I can deal with, quite obviously he is meant to be Bush! but they probably don't want to deal with the issues with putting his likeness in the movie.
If they were to of said some fictitious museum some where then i wouldn't have a problem with it. Just like Mission City in the first movie you can disregard it cause it doesn't exist, but as soon as you mention a real place then you are bound to it!

Almost all works of fiction mention real things from Earth, that doesn't make them based in our actual reality. They're fictional versions, or alternate. Again, I'm not saying this to resolve mistakes, which seems to be your thing towards the end of your post. I'm just saying anything that isn't based on factual events could be considered an alternate reality.

Just saw the film today. Aside from it probably being the loudest, most frenetic movie I ever saw (and about 30 minutes too long), it was pretty good, especially as sequels go.

But I am noticing a trend with sequels: often they tend to get silly or have silly aspects (eg, did we really need those jive bots?). I noticed this with Hellboy 2, also.

Spare me the trendy cuteness; just tell me how there's a college campus where every single co-ed is a babe. That's certainly not like the college I went to.

I did not mind the twins at all. They were funny although a little crude, but still funny.
In point form the stuff that made the movie bad in order to what i remember

the fallen
transformers are a secret.
dogs humping
Sams gremlins transformers
lack of introduction of characters, autobot or decepticos.
Sams mom over the top.
Species/terminator tx decepticon
LEO
SIMMONS
air and space museum washington right beside the boneyard arizona
transformers humping
transformers with balls
Pyramids right beside the Daggers tip.
Sun harvester inside the pyramid.
TOO MANY explosions at the end it was just mind numbing.
Too many transformers at the end.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
I did not mind the twins at all. They were funny although a little crude, but still funny.
In point form the stuff that made the movie bad in order to what i remember

the fallen
transformers are a secret.
dogs humping
Sams gremlins transformers
lack of introduction of characters, autobot or decepticos.
Sams mom over the top.
Species/terminator tx decepticon
LEO
SIMMONS
air and space museum washington right beside the boneyard arizona
transformers humping
transformers with balls
Pyramids right beside the Daggers tip.
Sun harvester inside the pyramid.
TOO MANY explosions at the end it was just mind numbing.
Too many transformers at the end.

I'm with you on:

transformers are a secret.
Sams mom over the top.

Originally posted by Mindship
Spare me the trendy cuteness; just tell me how there's a college campus where every single co-ed is a babe. That's certainly not like the college I went to.

There's quite a few at the one I go to...but I think there's courses for comsmotology and dental assistants....usually the best looking college students that I can recall.

Is this worth a blind buy on dvd?

Ahhhhh but If I told you, it'd no longer be blind. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by coolmovies
Is this worth a blind buy on dvd?

I he hasn't seen it, it would still be a blind buy.
I would say NO. Once the quality gets better I am going to download it and edit it for my viewing and it will probably be only 30min long. LMAO

Wow!...this was a bad movie.....the first movie to me was ok, i still had lots of problems with it...but this sequel is just.......bad i.m.o