Daredevil vs Batman

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
As I posted in an earlier Captain America versus Batman thread, arguments of this kind are best settled by consistently working through the respective characters' backstories.

I say Batman wins because his whole origin story involves him traveling the world to acquire his skill sets. The premise is that he possesses a greater portfolio of fighting knowledge and technique than virtually anyone. Despite DD's enhanced senses and considerable training, I don't see anything in his back story that gives a plausible explanation for him fighting on the same level as Bats. The DD fanbase is forced to explain how a guy never traveling outside of Hell's Kitchen and its environs (despite being trained by a blind Jedi master of some sort) somehow knows more technique and is more skilled than a guy who spent years in East Asia mastering multiple fighting disciplines.

The way I read it, no one beats Batman in a hand-to-hand fight that's not superhuman. No one.

DD gets his clock cleaned.

DD can still sense Batman's movements in a pure H2H fight.

What? DareDevil is a blind irish boy from Hells Kitchen New York he had to learn to fight.

Originally posted by Accel
Knowing every style deosn't mean you can't be beaten by someone who even knows only one style though.

DD can still sense Batman's movements in a pure H2H fight.

Agreed, and daredevils style is unique to match his superior agility and speed. It could be argued that Daredevils own unique style is better then anything batman has to offer.

I completely agree.

batman will kick daredevils ass because batman has a cape and adredevil is blind.u cant kill what you cant see

Originally posted by Marvel Boy
batman will kick daredevils ass because batman has a cape and adredevil is blind.u cant kill what you cant see

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Originally posted by Apolloknight
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Originally posted by Marvel Boy
batman will kick daredevils ass because batman has a cape and adredevil is blind.u cant kill what you cant see

He doesn't need to see. He KNOWS!!!!

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Agreed, and daredevils style is unique to match his superior agility and speed. It could be argued that Daredevils own unique style is better then anything batman has to offer.

It could be argued...but you'd still be wrong.

Let's concede superior agility to Daredevil. Fine. I'll buy that. But not speed--which I think is a draw. Or strength--which is clearly all Bats. Or skill-which is Bats by a mile.

Here's how the fight goes. Daredevil starts jumping around, doing sommersaults and other cute little gymnastic moves in order to confuse Bats and create an opening. Bats lets him jump around until he lands, chooses between like 12 different ways to either stun or paralyze DD from his current position. More than likely, this would involve hitting a nerve cluster, kicking his knee out, or gouging his eyes.

A stunned DD, holding his now limp, useless arm (Batman chooses to hit a nerve cluster), tries a gutsy counter strike with his good arm, or maybe a leg sweep to get Bats on his back. Bat's blocks or evades easily and unleashes a series of brutal, precise strikes that leave DD a bloody, unconscious mess. The good thing for DD is that, since he can acutally hear/sense which of his bones and organs have been shattered/damaged in the mellee, when he wakes up from his coma, he can give the paramedics an accurate and life-saving description of his injuries.

The End.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
It could be argued...but you'd still be wrong.

Let's concede superior agility to Daredevil. Fine. I'll buy that. But not speed--which I think is a draw. Or strength--which is clearly all Bats. Or skill-which is Bats by a mile.

Here's how the fight goes. Daredevil starts jumping around, doing sommersaults and other cute little gymnastic moves in order to confuse Bats and create an opening. Bats lets him jump around until he lands, chooses between like 12 different ways to either stun or paralyze DD from his current position. More than likely, this would involve hitting a nerve cluster, kicking his knee out, or gouging his eyes.

A stunned DD, holding his now limp, useless arm (Batman chooses to hit a nerve cluster), tries a gutsy counter strike with his good arm, or maybe a leg sweep to get Bats on his back. Bat's blocks or evades easily and unleashes a series of brutal, precise strikes that leave DD a bloody, unconscious mess. The good thing for DD is that, since he can acutally hear/sense which of his bones and organs have been shattered/damaged in the mellee, when he wakes up from his coma, he can give the paramedics an accurate and life-saving description of his injuries.

The End.

Batman is not new to acrobatic fighters, he has trained extensively with one for 15 or so years, and has shown greater agility than even him[him being Nightwing] in a one on one conflict flipping through the Cave in Bruce Wayne Fugitive.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
It could be argued...but you'd still be wrong.

Let's concede superior agility to Daredevil. Fine. I'll buy that. But not speed--which I think is a draw. Or strength--which is clearly all Bats. Or skill-which is Bats by a mile.

Here's how the fight goes. Daredevil starts jumping around, doing sommersaults and other cute little gymnastic moves in order to confuse Bats and create an opening. Bats lets him jump around until he lands, chooses between like 12 different ways to either stun or paralyze DD from his current position. More than likely, this would involve hitting a nerve cluster, kicking his knee out, or gouging his eyes.

A stunned DD, holding his now limp, useless arm (Batman chooses to hit a nerve cluster), tries a gutsy counter strike with his good arm, or maybe a leg sweep to get Bats on his back. Bat's blocks or evades easily and unleashes a series of brutal, precise strikes that leave DD a bloody, unconscious mess. The good thing for DD is that, since he can acutally hear/sense which of his bones and organs have been shattered/damaged in the mellee, when he wakes up from his coma, he can give the paramedics an accurate and life-saving description of his injuries.

The End.

No offense, bro...but that's a TEENSE biased.

As in, you must not know how Daredevil fights. Or that he would easily be able to dodge such a blow from Batman. With his superhuman senses, he would've felt the shift in weight and movement of muscles in Batman's arms before the strike even came.

Strength is actually a toss-up. DD once effortlessly wielded a 400-lb dumbell like a staff. Don't care who you are, that's pretty damn strong.

And it's not like DD doesnt' know such things about pressure points and nerve clusters either. Cuz well, he does. Skill is definitely debatable here. Just because someone "knows" 127 martial arts, doesn't really mean they can beat anyone in a fight. Especially if the opponent is a skilled master of his own arts.

DD, with his superior agility/reflexes as well as his radar sense, wins 6/10.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, there's a scan on the Batman respect page[either in the one on our forum or the one linked down near the bottom of the first page] of him touching a guy on the arm and knocking him out.

Batman is not new to acrobatic fighters, he has trained extensively with one for 15 or so years, and has shown greater agility than even him[him being Nightwing] in a one on one conflict flipping through the Cave in Bruce Wayne Fugitive.

I thought that was Nightwing's thing though? Being more agile than Batman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I thought that was Nightwing's thing though? Being more agile than Batman.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
It could be argued...but you'd still be wrong.

Let's concede superior agility to Daredevil. Fine. I'll buy that. But not speed--which I think is a draw. Or strength--which is clearly all Bats. Or skill-which is Bats by a mile.

Here's how the fight goes. Daredevil starts jumping around, doing sommersaults and other cute little gymnastic moves in order to confuse Bats and create an opening. Bats lets him jump around until he lands, chooses between like 12 different ways to either stun or paralyze DD from his current position. More than likely, this would involve hitting a nerve cluster, kicking his knee out, or gouging his eyes.

I stopped reading their. You making the same points all other batman fans state. We are talking about DareDevil Here, The guy has Pre-cog basically, he will see every attack batman throws at him from a mile away. Daredevil Can throw down with Spider-man, This is a guy that can react to Night-crawlers near instant teleporting by sensing how the atmospheric pressure changes when he disappears and reappears. Batman would be lucky to land a solid blow on the guy let alone pressure point strikes, which take more focus and accuracy to do.

How bout you try again and learn about Daredevil before making bold statements.

Also the ultimate Fanboy Statement, you said he will "Gouge his eyes out" 😐

Please, before you post again, try making a decent argument OK.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
It could be argued...but you'd still be wrong.

Let's concede superior agility to Daredevil. Fine. I'll buy that. But not speed--which I think is a draw. Or strength--which is clearly all Bats. Or skill-which is Bats by a mile.

Here's how the fight goes. Daredevil starts jumping around, doing sommersaults and other cute little gymnastic moves in order to confuse Bats and create an opening. Bats lets him jump around until he lands, chooses between like 12 different ways to either stun or paralyze DD from his current position. More than likely, this would involve hitting a nerve cluster, kicking his knee out, or gouging his eyes.

A stunned DD, holding his now limp, useless arm (Batman chooses to hit a nerve cluster), tries a gutsy counter strike with his good arm, or maybe a leg sweep to get Bats on his back. Bat's blocks or evades easily and unleashes a series of brutal, precise strikes that leave DD a bloody, unconscious mess. The good thing for DD is that, since he can acutally hear/sense which of his bones and organs have been shattered/damaged in the mellee, when he wakes up from his coma, he can give the paramedics an accurate and life-saving description of his injuries.

The End.

There are so many thing wrong with what you have said its not even funny. Bruce won't be able to wait on Matt, or have time to select which moves he's gonna do. Daredevil's senses allow him to know if Batman is indeed gonna attack with a punch, kick or nerve strike. Second if Bruce does indeed manage to get a hit on Matt chances are it won't be a solid blow. Part of what makes Matt so cool is his ability to roll with blows effectively reducind their strength. And third Matt isn't just gonna lash out, he's gonna target the weak spots on Bats body and attack them with precision. You've just made out Daredevil to be an inexperienced Dick Grayson which is quite wrong on your part

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No offense, bro...but that's a TEENSE biased.

As in, you must not know how Daredevil fights. Or that he would easily be able to dodge such a blow from Batman. With his superhuman senses, he would've felt the shift in weight and movement of muscles in Batman's arms before the strike even came.

Strength is actually a toss-up. DD once effortlessly wielded a 400-lb dumbell like a staff. Don't care who you are, that's pretty damn strong.

And it's not like DD doesnt' know such things about pressure points and nerve clusters either. Cuz well, he does. Skill is definitely debatable here. Just because someone "knows" 127 martial arts, doesn't really mean they can beat anyone in a fight. Especially if the opponent is a skilled master of his own arts.

DD, with his superior agility/reflexes as well as his radar sense, wins 6/10.

OK. I wrote that half-jokingly. I do actually think it would be a pretty good fight and concede that DD's senses and agility would make it tough for Bat's to surprise/hit him. But, I still can't help but think that Bats is a considerable step above DD on martial arts ability. Even if DD could elude Bats for awhile, once he engages at close quarters, the bigger, smarter, more skilled fighter wins, doesn't he?

Bats 9/10

Originally posted by Juntai
Nightwing fights almost like a mirror to Daredevil, but Batman can and has beat him as his own game. Nightwing couldn't land a blow flipping all around the cave. It's all on panel, man. 😉

Nightwing is comparable to Daredevil in pretty much only agility. Just cause Bruce can take down Dick doesn't mean he can it with Matt

Originally posted by Juntai
Nightwing fights almost like a mirror to Daredevil, but Batman can and has beat him as his own game. Nightwing couldn't land a blow flipping all around the cave. It's all on panel, man. 😉

No no, I didn't say that. Isn't Nightwing's thing being more agile (even if by a very small margin) than Batman? I don't care that he lost in a fight, I'm just curious about this. I thought this to be true. Batman's far more experienced, which explains why Nightwing wouldn't be able to touch him.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Nightwing is comparable to Daredevil in pretty much only agility. Just cause Bruce can take down Dick doesn't mean he can it with Matt

Why don't we compare on panel feats rather than hyperbole?
I guarantee Batman smothers him if we do.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No no, I didn't say that. Isn't Nightwing's thing being more agile (even if by a very small margin) than Batman? I don't care that he lost in a fight, I'm just curious about this. I thought this to be true. Batman's far more experienced, which explains why Nightwing wouldn't be able to touch him.