Daredevil vs Batman

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I stopped reading their. You making the same points all other batman fans state. We are talking about DareDevil Here, The guy has Pre-cog basically, he will see every attack batman throws at him from a mile away. Daredevil Can throw down with Spider-man, This is a guy that can react to Night-crawlers near instant teleporting by sensing how the atmospheric pressure changes when he disappears and reappears. Batman would be lucky to land a solid blow on the guy let alone pressure point strikes, which take more focus and accuracy to do.

How bout you try again and learn about Daredevil before making bold statements.

Also the ultimate Fanboy Statement, you said he will "Gouge his eyes out" 😐

Please, before you post again, try making a decent argument OK.

OK. B.S. on that! I don't care what comic you bring up to substantiate your argument, DD can't hang with Spiderman, no way, no how. Inconsistencies abound in comics and whoever wrote that story, didn't know the respective characters. DD does not have anywhere near the strength or agility. And as for pre-cog, he doesn't have that either. His senses give him an advantage, and allow him to react faster, but its not spider sense.

I like DD fine, but let's get real.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
OK. B.S. on that! I don't care what comic you bring up to substantiate your argument, DD can't hang with Spiderman, no way, no how. Inconsistencies abound in comics and whoever wrote that story, didn't know the respective characters. DD does not have anywhere near the strength or agility. And as for pre-cog, he doesn't have that either. His senses give him an advantage, and allow him to react faster, but its not spider sense.

I like DD fine, but let's get real.

I agree. DD is nowhere near Spidey.

As for its senses, they are not pre-cog but are pretty darn close. He can tell if your attack or feint by listening to your heart-rate, know if your punch or kick by listening to which muscles tense up and locate weak points by listening to blood flow/pressure. Its nothing to scoff at

Originally posted by Juntai
The proof is in the pudding. Batman's agility is nearly unrivaled, he just doesn't utlize it the same way most of the time. Take for example, Batman in JLA dodging the entire security system of the JLA watchtower, which none of the other heros even tried to do. Flipping between lasers, gunfire, etc.

Its been stated time and time again, even by Batman himself, that Nightwing is more agile than himself. That shouldn't be up for debate. And even is he was the most agile the DCU that doesn't make him more agile than Daredevil

Originally posted by marvelprince
I agree. DD is nowhere near Spidey.

As for its senses, they are not pre-cog but are pretty darn close. He can tell if your attack or feint by listening to your heart-rate, know if your punch or kick by listening to which muscles tense up and locate weak points by listening to blood flow/pressure. Its nothing to scoff at

Who's scoffing? ;-)

But let me point this out, unless DD's reaction time and speed is superhuman, he's going to have a limit as to how much sensory input he can process during real time conditions. I concede that this is an advantage for DD, but not an insurmountable one. The point is, DD's senses shouldn't be confused with Spiderman's pre-cog ability to sense pending attacks. DD's ability give him the ability to pick up more "tells" from an opponent, but doesn't mean he can infallibly predict what's coming or successfully fend off an attack every single time.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Its been stated time and time again, even by Batman himself, that Nightwing is more agile than himself. That shouldn't be up for debate. And even is he was the most agile the DCU that doesn't make him more agile than Daredevil

Nightwing fights like a mirror to daredevil. Batman has very very extensive training with him. Acrobatics against Batman is absolutely nothing new and nothing he hasn't promptly dealt with and countered easily.

That was the point of all of that.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Who's scoffing? ;-)

But let me point this out, unless DD's reaction time and speed is superhuman, he's going to have a limit as to how much sensory input he can process during real time conditions. I concede that this is an advantage for DD, but not an insurmountable one. The point is, DD's senses shouldn't be confused with Spiderman's pre-cog ability to sense pending attacks. DD's ability give him the ability to pick up more "tells" from an opponent, but doesn't mean he can infallibly predict what's coming or successfully fend off an attack every single time.

I agree. Its not comparable to Spider-Man spider-sense in that aspect. But thats the beauty of Daredevil (no i'm not hitting on Matt). All of his skills, his agility, his senses, his billy clubs, all that he has has been transformed into one cohesive fighting style that takes full advantage of all his skills. Knowing a bunch of fighting styles doesn't help you against this guy and because of his style every subtle movement that his enemy makes is noted and can be effectively blocked, parried or countered. That's why in a h2h fight I don't see Bruce winning. However since this is just a straight match and Bruce has all of his gadgets, which he will use when he see he's getting countered at every turn, Batman will end up winning

Originally posted by Juntai
He's also stated that others are better fighters than himself, but he's beat most of them up. In an acrobatic fight around the Cave, Nightwing couldn't touch Batman. The proof is in the panels. 😉

Nightwing fights like a mirror to daredevil. Batman has very very extensive training with him. Acrobatics against Batman is absolutely nothing new and nothing he hasn't promptly dealt with and countered easily.

That was the point of all of that.

Plz, if we go by what we see in panels then Spider-Man consistently beats Firelord, Venom can hang with Juggernaut and the Human Torch can by beat by a bucket of water. Consistently is waht matters, as in all the times they've worked together and Nightwing is shown to be more agile, as in all the times both characters themselves have said it, as in all the times characters even outside the Bat family have pointed it out. Consistency my friend

Originally posted by marvelprince
I agree. Its not comparable to Spider-Man spider-sense in that aspect. But thats the beauty of Daredevil (no i'm not hitting on Matt). All of his skills, his agility, his senses, his billy clubs, all that he has has been transformed into one cohesive fighting style that takes full advantage of all his skills. Knowing a bunch of fighting styles doesn't help you against this guy and because of his style every subtle movement that his enemy makes is noted and can be effectively blocked, parried or countered. That's why in a h2h fight I don't see Bruce winning. However since this is just a straight match and Bruce has all of his gadgets, which he will use when he see he's getting countered at every turn, Batman will end up winning

I assmed just hand to hand, no weapons or gadgets.

Here's a question for you...Christian Bale vs. Ben Afflek. Hand-to-hand, no weapons. Who wins?

Christian Bale by a mile. Plus, a la "American Psycho", Bale uses Afflek's severed head as a hood ornament for his penis.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Plz, if we go by what we see in panels then Spider-Man consistently beats Firelord, Venom can hang with Juggernaut and the Human Torch can by beat by a bucket of water. Consistently is waht matters, as in all the times they've worked together and Nightwing is shown to be more agile, as in all the times both characters themselves have said it, as in all the times characters even outside the Bat family have pointed it out. Consistency my friend [/B]

.. . Which character is consistantly doing acrobat fighting has no bearing on Batman actually showing to be his superior in acrobatic fighting. And has certainly matched pretty much all his feats in acrobats.

In comics, Superman is consistantly shown to be probably the most physical daunting character in comics in terms of speed, agility, power, durability, on and on.. Guess what happens when he runs into Doomsday?

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
I assmed just hand to hand, no weapons or gadgets.

Here's a question for you...Christian Bale vs. Ben Afflek. Hand-to-hand, no weapons. Who wins?

Christian Bale by a mile. Plus, a la "American Psycho", Bale uses Afflek's severed head as a hood ornament for his penis.

I dunno really. People just knock the Daredevil movie without a thought, but Ben actually performed DD's skills quite well. For instance, the fight scene in the park with Elektra. That was pretty accurate.

I think their movie versions would be a pretty close fight. Pretty much as close this comic version.

No gadgets, DD wins 6/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I dunno really. People just knock the Daredevil movie without a thought, but Ben actually performed DD's skills quite well. For instance, the fight scene in the park with Elektra. That was pretty accurate.

I think their movie versions would be a pretty close fight. Pretty much as close this comic version.

No gadgets, DD wins 6/10.

Very much better than the likes of The Hulk, Electra, Catwoman, Both Punisher's, X3.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
I assmed just hand to hand, no weapons or gadgets.

Here's a question for you...Christian Bale vs. Ben Afflek. Hand-to-hand, no weapons. Who wins?

Christian Bale by a mile. Plus, a la "American Psycho", Bale uses Afflek's severed head as a hood ornament for his penis.

Bale by a mile. One of my fav actors, he plays a psycho so well its kinda scary. Thought he was perfect for Batman too. Bale tries to shove Affleck into an ATM slot. Priceless

Originally posted by Juntai
I actually consider Daredevil to be one of my favorite comic movies.

Very much better than the likes of The Hulk, Electra, Catwoman, Both Punisher's, X3.

Honestly, I thought Punisher was one of the best Marvel movies made so far. I felt it was pretty damn accurate. Plus, seeing him kill off damn near everyone in the world was pretty cool, too. I'm looking forward to Punisher 2.

Never did see Elektra, however.

X-3 was good, but not nearly as good as it should've been.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I dunno really. People just knock the Daredevil movie without a thought, but Ben actually performed DD's skills quite well. For instance, the fight scene in the park with Elektra. That was pretty accurate.

I think their movie versions would be a pretty close fight. Pretty much as close this comic version.

No gadgets, DD wins 6/10.

Co-sign. I thought Affleck did a job

Originally posted by Juntai
Besides your post being all misconstrued where I pointed out. . .

.. . Which character is consistantly doing acrobat fighting has no bearing on Batman actually showing to be his superior in acrobatic fighting. And has certainly matched pretty much all his feats in acrobats.

In comics, Superman is consistantly shown to be probably the most physical daunting character in comics in terms of speed, agility, power, durability, on and on.. Guess what happens when he runs into Doomsday?

He consistently has a hard time fighting him

1. Hand to hand - no gadgets - Daredevil. He is faster and just as strong.Batman does know more fighting styles but does that give him an automatic win...If Batman took up Sumo,could the beat the current worlds Sumo champion?
Even if Batman knows DD is blind,how does this give BM an edge over DD? DD's hyper senses more than make up for his lack of sight.Batman can only "see" what's in front of him...DD can "see" in a 360* pattern. Front -Back-Above and Below.

2. DD with club vs BM with Batarang - I still give this one to Daredevil. His radar gives him the edge over Batman.

3. Batman and his "I have a Bat-Gizmo for any type of event I should get into with 'Hulk-Knock out Gas',smoke bombs,sonics,light,rope,lock picks,batarangs,bullet proof shield,wall climbing suction cups,x-ray specs,snake bite kit,compass,Bic lighter,AM FM and XM radio,GPS,dvd player with 5.1 dolby,shark repellant,first aid kit,viagra pills,re-breather,little black book with Black Widows number in it,Bat-anti-mind-scan pills in case I run into Proffesor X,and some Q Tips.....If Bruce is so smart and so rich - why not build an Iron Man type suit? This way he could fly just like a real bat!....And yes,Batman with all his toys could beat Daredevil,but Matt has guts and can take a world class beating and still come back for more.Bruce would win but he'll be hurting for a week.
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Originally posted by spetznaz
Batman would win this.
The best adversary for Daredevil would actually be Nightwing. Batman is like matching Superman vs Superboy.
Now, i love Daredevil. He is my favorite character after Bats. And he can kick some major ass. Infact he is even better at throwing projectiles than Batman could ever be (and equal to Bullseye. Infact Bullseye once feared DD might be BETTER than him ....this was in DD Visionaries where Bullseye said that DD was the only person who was ALMOST BETTER than he was. That's a lot coming from Bullseye). So, DD is better than Batman when it comes to projeciles. But note, Batman is no slouch in the department either.
Thus the Bat would be able to survive long enough to get closer.
In fighting ability DD is good. He was trained by Stick. But Batman is much better. Basically it is like the projectile advantage .....but inverse. Now it is the Bat with the advantage.
A good fight, but Batman would win.

This is a joke post from someone whoo knows nothing of Daredevl.

DD is clearly the superior fighter to Batman having beaten and or stalemated Captain America, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Black Panther, Shang Chi, all of whom are at least as formidable if not superior to Batman.

Batman, meanwhile, gets wrecked by Deathstroke, Bronze Tiger, etc. Batman's a beast bit DD's combat record is clearly superior.

Anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt know anything about Daredevil.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
As I posted in an earlier Captain America versus Batman thread, arguments of this kind are best settled by consistently working through the respective characters' backstories.

I say Batman wins because his whole origin story involves him traveling the world to acquire his skill sets. The premise is that he possesses a greater portfolio of fighting knowledge and technique than virtually anyone. Despite DD's enhanced senses and considerable training, I don't see anything in his back story that gives a plausible explanation for him fighting on the same level as Bats. The DD fanbase is forced to explain how a guy never traveling outside of Hell's Kitchen and its environs (despite being trained by a blind Jedi master of some sort) somehow knows more technique and is more skilled than a guy who spent years in East Asia mastering multiple fighting disciplines.

The way I read it, no one beats Batman in a hand-to-hand fight that's not superhuman. No one.

DD gets his clock cleaned.

LOL, except, Bronze Tiger, the normal human who beat Batman with ONE strike. Or Promethues, who cleaned his clock.

Batman has NEVER been un beatable by humans, he is regularly challenged and occaisionally beaten. DD, on the other hand, like Captain America has a FAR superior and more impressive record of stalemating and beating accomplished superhumans like Spider-Man, Wolverine, the Vulture, Hyde, ,etc.

Al this 'batman trained in more syles, trash is just that trash. DD was trainined by a literally bohdittasava of Ninjutsu. The number of styles you know means nothing. DD's one style of lesser numer of styles allow him to do MORE than Batman can for HTH combat.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
It could be argued...but you'd still be wrong.

Let's concede superior agility to Daredevil. Fine. I'll buy that. But not speed--which I think is a draw. Or strength--which is clearly all Bats. Or skill-which is Bats by a mile.

Here's how the fight goes. Daredevil starts jumping around, doing sommersaults and other cute little gymnastic moves in order to confuse Bats and create an opening. Bats lets him jump around until he lands, chooses between like 12 different ways to either stun or paralyze DD from his current position. More than likely, this would involve hitting a nerve cluster, kicking his knee out, or gouging his eyes.

A stunned DD, holding his now limp, useless arm (Batman chooses to hit a nerve cluster), tries a gutsy counter strike with his good arm, or maybe a leg sweep to get Bats on his back. Bat's blocks or evades easily and unleashes a series of brutal, precise strikes that leave DD a bloody, unconscious mess. The good thing for DD is that, since he can acutally hear/sense which of his bones and organs have been shattered/damaged in the mellee, when he wakes up from his coma, he can give the paramedics an accurate and life-saving description of his injuries.

The End.

Actually, DD is both clearly faster and probably stronger than Batman.

So you're wrong.

He's also flat out more formidable in hand to hand combat, considering he hangs with people superior to Batman, like Captain America.

Oh come on! I'm so tired of all the "Batman knows 137 different MA skills"......Blah Blah Blah! It means NOTHING!

If you have ever watched real men fight in a ring _ala UFC_ You will see the man with "more styles" is not always the victor ! ! !

I do like Batman but the "Batman Nerds" have see that in a "real" fight it's punching,kicking,blocking.wrestling,biting,eye poking and hair pulling! ! !

Listen up people....If a guy goes up to you a throws a punch you will
A.Duck
B.Block it
C.Get hit
Does it matter if it was a pro "boxer" or a "kung fu" master? Is a punch really that different????????? Get real!

Call it what what ever style you wish but in the end it's the same in regards to Daredevil and Batman. Both are in the top 5 in their respective worlds. In a pure H2H fight Daredevil has an edge due to his hyper senses. His leg can "feel" a leg sweep coming. He can "feel" a person behind him BETTER than Batman...

Daredevil like Batman has gone toe to toe with many "top rated martial artist" and "more powerful" foes as well.....

It's not fair to say that Batman wins because "He's Batman, Batman always wins"

I can see Daredevil beating Batman in pure H2H combat. DD FTW!

That's my story and I'm stickin to it!