Originally posted by Enyalus
Wally solos the field.
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Originally posted by Enyalus
What up, Rage?
Eating, making plans for later with my some people and just reading up on "Thor: Tales of Asgard", the animated feature. I extremely dislike the fact that Thor is being portrayed as a whiny child, does not have Mjolnir, and the plot seems weak with big holes.
How you been?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Been good. Reading Negation by CrossGen right now.Isn't "Tales of Asgard" a comic, not animated movie? Saw it at the shop. Didn't pick it up. I thought it might just be reprints of some classic stuff.
Nah, there is a comic, called that, but there is also an animated movie coming out under the same title.
Originally posted by carver9
The ke is different than the ke in marvel, it was stated on panel about dc ke
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never EVER stated in ANY book. ever. it has a different source, maybe.
and way to avoid all my other questions.
i'll ask AGAIN: magic is ALSO different in the 2 universes, stemming from VASTLY different sources. can it's source be tapped by strange or fate to create effects that affect one another or other characters in each other's universes?
you want to say KE is different in the 2 universes. what about time? space? spacetime? but why are you stopping there?
ALL forces are fundamentally different. odin has stopped time in the past. what you're saying is that if odin fought anyone in dc, he couldn't use his time stop power. why not? because time is different in the 2 universes and so the attack wouldn't work on a dc guy.
Originally posted by leonidas
😐never EVER stated in ANY book. ever. it has a different source, maybe.
and way to avoid all my other questions.
i'll ask AGAIN: magic is ALSO different in the 2 universes, stemming from VASTLY different sources.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
all i'm saying is that kinetic energy in dc has a root called the speed force, and speed force manipulators can take/give kinetic energy to all it's recipients.flash in a neutral space can use all of his powers, but marvel character X isn't all of a sudden connected to the speed force now in neutral space.
on a side not, i have a quick question:
if flash were to absorb the momentum of a bullet in flight, does the bullet fall down due to gravity or does the bullet remain stationary in the air?
if the bullet fall then the kinetic energy of momentum was taken away, but the bullet still had potential energy since it was raised off of the ground and therefor still had kinetic energy.
the bullets fell. he's also slowed many things down WITHOUT having them come to a complete stop.
the only way this attack can be countered imo, is to either come up with a way that someone can move utilizing something OTHER than KE (not sure how, zoom is about the only one i can imagine) or by cutting wally off from the SF, hence cutting him off from the source that allows him to control KE. it's conceiveable to me that ss might be able to do something like that. it would be akin to what the stranger has done to ss in the past--shut him off from the PC and prevent him from absorbing any from the outside.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Both of those things were stated during JLA/Avengers I believe.
i think you're right. but it's irrelevent because we're not talking about a fight in either universe.
if the fight were in the MU, flash couldn't even run, let alone speed steal. fate couldn't cast a single spell.
like if thanos tried the IG in the DCU against spectre. he's screwed. or if strange tried to cast spells in the DCU he'd be screwed.
likewise, if this battle took place in the DCU flash could easily steal their speed because on entering the DCU all their motion falls under the SF's governance.
for purposes of the forum it's ALWAYS been assumed all powers work optimally in a neutral battleground. ie--strange and fate can BOTH cast their spells. if not, we better start adding loads of caveats to the beginning of each thread.
Originally posted by leonidas
for purposes of the forum it's ALWAYS been assumed all powers work optimally in a neutral battleground. ie--strange and fate can BOTH cast their spells. if not, we better start adding loads of caveats to the beginning of each thread.
Johns doesn't just mess up characters. Might make them less powerful, but he doesn't out right get it wrong.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Well someone should figure out why neither Jay nor Wally were able to steal Zoom's speed, and specifically stated it was because he wasn't using the Speedforce that they weren't able to do so.Johns doesn't just mess up characters. Might make them less powerful, but he doesn't out right get it wrong.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I though it was because he lives in another timeline; his own which he manipulates. That's why he wasn't going fast,
Originally posted by Enyalus
Going 'fast' or not, Wally should still be able to steal a normal human's speed. Which Zoom would be, barring his personal manipulation of the timestream.