~ Blackest Night - Discussion Thread ~

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Originally posted by Digi
Modern Spectre hasn't had a good "event" since the first Crisis.
iirc, spectre's last 'big event' was "zero hour".

that said, a 15+ year gap is exactly the reason why it should have been easy for johns to use spectre as the dues ex machina character he truly is. why? because in all honesty, most DC fans don't even look to spectre to save the day anymore. throw the fella a bone for crying out loud.

furthermore, utilizing spectre effectively for the first time in well over a decade shouldn't be too much to ask for, considering the lengths johns has gone to shove superboy prime down our throats these last few years.
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at any rate, god's wrath personified should not be played off by johns as a fodder character.

I don't understand why he couldn't you know, just... not use him.

How difficult is it to find an excuse for him to be absent anyways?

He's god's wrath. God does not rage over Nekron, Spectre's elsewhere. Simple, I'd accept it.

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't understand why he couldn't you know, just... not use him.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
How difficult is it to find an excuse for him to be absent anyways?

He's god's wrath. God does not rage over Nekron, Spectre's elsewhere. Simple, I'd accept it.

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Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Johns seems to hate Spectre.
Originally posted by Juntai
I don't understand why he couldn't you know, just... not use him.

He's too well known, a staple on DC Earth, and too powerful to be ignored entirely. Cries of "well, where's Spectre?!" would ring out if he did that. It's a lose/lose for writers, most of whom probably would rather ignore him.

Originally posted by Galan007
iirc, spectre's last 'big event' was "zero hour".

that said, a 15+ year gap is exactly the reason why it should have been easy for johns to use spectre as the dues ex machina character he truly is. why? because in all honesty, most DC fans don't even look to spectre to save the day anymore. throw the fella a bone for crying out loud.

furthermore, utilizing spectre effectively for the first time in well over a decade shouldn't be too much to ask for, considering the lengths johns has gone to shove superboy prime down our throats these last few years.
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at any rate, god's wrath personified should not be played off by johns as a fodder character.

Originally posted by Digi
...it would be similar with any writer. As I said, he has to be dealt with. And not every writer, in every event, is going to do away with him in a way that matches with your sensibilities about the nature of the character.

I doubt Johns hates or loves most characters he writes. Spectre's just a hurdle that needs to be jumped in order to tell the story he is interested in. DC would be better off doing away with Spectre, or making his depowerment official and defined, so as to stop the complaining.

srug

Meh. Those are my thoughts. I understand that you don't like how Johns treats him, but I see it as an inevitable evil, and have pretty much just eliminated Spectre from my caring because of it. But if you dislike how he's written, then I'm sorry he isn't written better. Because I agree with you, I just don't think it's a big deal.

Originally posted by Digi
Meh. Those are my thoughts. I understand that you don't like how Johns treats him, but I see it as an inevitable evil, and have pretty much just eliminated Spectre from my caring because of it. But if you dislike how he's written, then I'm sorry he isn't written better. Because I agree with you, I just don't think it's a big deal.
i don't consider it a big deal either. after all, "blackest night" has yet to appeal to me for numerous reasons [the bulk of which do not pertain to the humiliation of spectre's character.]

despite that, i still disagree with how johns has chosen to use him throughout the various stories he has written.

i sincerely appreciate the moral support though. hug

I don't care about the Spectre.

But a genius like Johns would not have any problems coming up a slightly better solution.

My entire opinion on the matter is i do like blackest night so far and i like the idea behind this "war of light" but obviously its going to have to end at some point and all that really matters is how it all comes together. I understand that there have been holes in the story(to say the least) but for all we know those are placed there for a reason as of far to make it all come together in the end. as far as the spector goes im not a "hater" but im not his biggest fan either. To me he's just a character that i really don't have an opinion on. his whole persona is definitely soo powerful he can basically do whatever and no one stops him. Then when it comes to big events he needs to be "depowered" for the sake of the story if not it would end after one panel. Although if im reading an event that lets say is in a batman comic and its based around killing sea animals then im sitting their thinking where the F**k is aquaman? and i think that's kinda what the problem is. i mean the spector could have an excuse for not being in the event but if their is an excuse every time something happens then why keep him at all, Then again you can't kill gods wrath. So my opinion is i want to see how it all plays out before i judge any aspect of it.

I just really want all the power rings now. I don't even care if the series blows (though, for what it's worth, I don't think it's bad...though not as good as the Sinestro Corps War).

MINE!

Originally posted by Digi
I just really want all the power rings now. I don't even care if the series blows (though, for what it's worth, I don't think it's bad...though not as good as the Sinestro Corps War).

MINE!

did you ask at your comic shop?

IMO, a character as bland as the Spaectre being taken out in a cheap manner has in no way reduced my enjoyment of the series, especially since it's a way that has added a decent amount of drama to the event.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
did you ask at your comic shop?

Haven't been there in the last few days. Next week though.

Originally posted by Digi
Haven't been there in the last few days. Next week though.

well i wish you good luck on your endeavor

$10 says he doesn't get them.

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I haven't seen anything about them in my local shop at all. I'm not sure that it was even acknowledged 🙁

lol well if he does it may be pricey....my shope still has extras but you can only get them by buying a graphic novel with a gl in it and that's per ring....because they have sold out of all the actual issues they came with...id suggest just getting them on ebay if that's what his/anyone else's is doing

Originally posted by Digi
...it would be similar with any writer, Phil. As I said, he has to be dealt with. And not every writer, in every event, is going to do away with him in a way that matches with your sensibilities about the nature of the character.

I doubt Johns hates or loves most characters he writes. Spectre's just a hurdle that needs to be jumped in order to tell the story he is interested in. DC would be better off doing away with Spectre, or making his depowerment official and defined, so as to stop the complaining.

srug

I don't mean to sound offensive, but I get the feeling you just skim through what I type, not actually registering what I said, and then say something that logically has nothing to do with what I posted.

What would be similar with every writer, that they'd get Spectre out of the story they're writing in a plot-device way if there isn't a challenge big enough for the character ? Yes, I agree.

But you don't seem to understand how Johns approaches the character. His Spectre just isn't powerfull. And that has always been the case, it's not just a one-time *pop* Blackest Night -> Spectre is portrayed as very weak -> *zing!* the excuse that he is depowered works!. He has everybody and their stepmother either do well against him, being said as being more powerfull or just flat-out make him look like an idiot. That has always been the case and not just with Blackest Night. And if DC had any intention of depowering the character, they wouldn't have published Final Crisis: Revelations which further established his position and power of the character just a few months ago.

Why exactly would DC depower Spectre, because Johns can't write a story about him unless he makes him somebody's bitch ? In essence, depower someone because of Johns, who doesn't portray him as powerfull anyway ? That makes perfect sense! And it's not like there have been writers who have made the character work even considering his status. Geoff Johns' hate and (I doubt) inaptitude should suddenly make DC fundamentally change the character to fit his vision!

No offense intended, Phil. I was reading your entire posts. I just stated my opinion. I suppose I just can't get as worked up over Johns' treatment of Spectre as some of you do, so it causes me to downplay the inconsistencies.

And no, I don't think DC should change Spectre just to fit Johns' vision(s). But I don't think he's the only writer who would treat him this way, or who would have similar problems.

But bringing up his FC arc a while back doesn't refute my point. Yes, they established his position and power. And no, they haven't done anything to change that formally. But my point was, they should do that, imo. Because when I read an arc and it includes Spectre, I groan. Because A. He should be powerful enough to end most threats with a simple decree, B. He's probably going to job somehow to make the threat seem credible, and C. Not every arc can come up with a decent philosophical reason for God not to want to intervene or not granting him the power to overcome the problem, so there will be times when he has to be dealt with in stupid ways. So has Johns treated him horribly? Yes, no argument there. But, as before, such treatment eventually is inevitable given the character's nature. So I just ignore his presence in any arc these days.

So I heartily dislike Spectre as a character. He should be removed from DC Earth to the extent that his non-involvement isn't questioned in each new arc. Do we wonder why Eternity didn't stop Marvel's Civil War? No. And that's the kind of treatment Spectre should get.

Originally posted by Digi
I just really want all the power rings now.

MINE!

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normally I don't get wrapped up in buying any comic-related merchandise outside of the comics themselves... but I made an exception with the power rings. not only are they very cool imo, but something about them just screams "future collector items". lol

though I must confess that I did go the eBay route to acquire all 8 of them [it would have been WAY too hard trying to go through my local comic shop.]

Originally posted by Digi
No offense intended, Phil.

I love the fact that this actually translates as "**** you Phil"