Originally posted by -Pr-
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Originally posted by Galan007
Unless he somehow retained his powers, Deadman (if he can even be called that anymore) really got the shitty end of the stick upon being resurrected.
There's always that street level crime fighter niche. So he'll have a job so long as he can find a city to defend.
Originally posted by theICONiac
Humor me without having me to flail through dozens of FC threads to find your opinion...Personally I have never felt worse about spending money on a comic than I did with FC...so I am interested in your take.
I'm not going to derail the thread with my comments but be warn this will taken by the Morrison fatheads on warpath.
The pace and introduction of multiple characters that didn't fit or correspond to the situation.
The lack of writing Wonder Woman as lacking leadership. Superman gone to space...Batman capture...Flash running around...GL in jail...Aquaman, well, it's Aquaman...MM death...and so this is the prime moment for Diana to prove her leadership.....she fails. Morrison is worse than Wil Pfeifer for writing Diana so poorly.
The New Gods blatantly de-power.
Batman picking up a gun and shooting...
Too much shit that floated and eventually crash and drown in stupid ackwards symbolism.
I'm just happy is over and move on.
Originally posted by WickedDynamite
I'm just happy is over and move on.
Except it is not over.
Betcha a million bucks that DC's editorial try to reconcile Grant Morrison's vision of DC with Geoff Johns...
Meaning we will soon see the day where the Anti-Monitor discovers what happened during FC while he was incarcerated in the black lantern...
And then?? AM discovers feeding on the Bleed makes him All-Powerful...and he turns into 'THE ANTI-MANDRAKK!!'
You heard it here first folks...just like my predictions about the White Lantern.
Originally posted by WickedDynamiteYou actually made FC seem better than it was in this post...
I'm not going to derail the thread with my comments but be warn this will taken by the Morrison fatheads on warpath.The pace and introduction of multiple characters that didn't fit or correspond to the situation.
The lack of writing Wonder Woman as lacking leadership. Superman gone to space...Batman capture...Flash running around...GL in jail...Aquaman, well, it's Aquaman...MM death...and so this is the prime moment for Diana to prove her leadership.....she fails. Morrison is worse than Wil Pfeifer for writing Diana so poorly.
The New Gods blatantly de-power.
Batman picking up a gun and shooting...
Too much shit that floated and eventually crash and drown in stupid ackwards symbolism.
I'm just happy is over and move on.
FC was among the best big event stories in recent years. Revelations, Beyond and the first 5 issues of the main FC were better than anything in BN quite seriously.
What FC needed was about 4 issues after number 5 and it would have been up there with 52 and Seven Soldiers as a whole. What we did get was a very good crossover event well above the likes of Infinite Crisis and BN.
BN had hype, sales and bombastic art but it was quite poor. In terms of its depictions of characters, their motivations and the damn script FC was, is and will always be miles better.
Originally posted by Blanket
FC was terrible. Let's not lie to ourselves.BN was average.
Blanket, I am not gay but I really like you 😄 We seem to be cut from the same cloth.
FC was borderline crap. Now, cue all the Morrison boosters who will say I am stupid and just did not understand it.
BN was mediocre (compared to SCW IMO). But I dare any of the Morrison sheep to compare sales numbers of FC to BN.
Who do you think ultimately won?
BN had sales, I'll give it that. But we've seen stories like BN so many times before. This wouldn't be a problem if BN wasn't hyped up as this super event to shake up the universe. It absolutely crumbled under the weight of expectation. A cliched, sometimes contrived tale billed as a redefining saga.
Originally posted by Allankles
BN had sales, I'll give it that. But we've seen stories like BN so many times before. This wouldn't be a problem if BN wasn't hyped up as this super event to shake up the universe. It absolutely crumbled under the weight of expectation.
And this is EXACTLY what pissed me off about FC! pullhair
Originally posted by theICONiac
And this is EXACTLY what pissed me off about FC! pullhair
First of all the heroes were completely owned for large parts of this crisis. In other crisis the threat was big and did big things elsewhere but the main heroes were always in the fight.
Here the main heroes were either helpless, converted or dead. The Marvels depowered, Superman out of the picture, Batman eliminated, the GL's kept out of the fight entirely and almost losing their power battery via subortage, Wonderwoman working for the enemy, the JSA fighting a losing battle same with checkmate, others sent into hiding.
FC was a huge event, but it was also personal in terms of how it affected the heroes. BN sought of starts of with a bang but it loses that impact as the event carries on, FC was the opposite, started with the death of a single character that grew into a very overwhelming threat.
Originally posted by theICONiac
Except it is not over.Betcha a million bucks that DC's editorial try to reconcile Grant Morrison's vision of DC with Geoff Johns...
For me it is over. That's why I'm not picking up anything attached with Morrison. BN practically removed that bad taste from me.
If there ever is a Brave and Bold issue with Barry and Hal team up and Geoff is writing....I would slam my money so hard on the vendor's table demanding to have that issue.
As of matter of fact! I'm going to build a shrine for him. Putting Hal, Barry, Mera, and even Aquaman in the front seat and not escaping to Superman, WW and Batsy made me very happy!
so yes! After I'm done building the shrine of Paul Dini...I'll make one for Geoff.
Yeah!
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Exactly. Just because. And even the entire GLC couldn't do squat to Nekron.
without the white light. 😛
they were the central part of the spectrum, but not the totality of it.
We knew Bruce wasn't dead in Final Crisis.
yes, but THEY didn't know.
IMHO, having a Batman-looking corpse pop up gratuitiously can't even be described as a c@ck-tease. It would have been better had no corpse popped up and everybody immediately understanding that Bruce wasn't dead rather than, "Gee... remember that gratuitious appearance of the Batman-looking corpse? Wasn't real. I can just feel it. Also I am teh ghey."
that wasn't why they knew he was dead... 😛
[qote]Also, truth: Hal overcame his greatest fear in SCW, but it's still his greatest fear.[/quote]
no it's not. he said what his greatest fear was in BN 8.
And we never did know what he said. I mean... literally everybody encounters the ghosts of their past except for Hal?Spoiler:
AFAIK, the White Light didn't return. It always was inside the Earth. The War of Light didn't awaken the White Light, nor did it herald it's return. Nekron literally had to force it out. In other words, the War of Light was a gratuitious Power Rangers wank-fest that ultimately preceded and didn't cause, nor resolve Blackest Night.
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The one character that Johns managed to imbue with personality and he screwed it up. Hal's personality is wooden at best.
disagree. a lot.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingSpoiler:
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your point is? it's only why every character exists in the first place.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
I thought FC had great ambition that fizzled out towards the ends. This was just luke warm from beginning to end.
That's what I'm saying. FC had pizazz, flavor, ambition, it was far from your average and drab big event crossover. Looking back at Revelations, FC 1 through 5 and Superman Beyond, nothing in BN compares.
FC was let down mainly because of FC 6 & 7, but the lead up, including Beyond and Revelations were stellar. Its problems were that Beyond could have been a crisis all on its own and the final issues of the main title got resolved very abruptly, even somewhat haphazardly (a problem a few more issues would have solved).
Some of the same criticisms I gave Marvel's Secret Invasion, I could easily label at BN. There's no need to pretend BN hit the heights of FC, just because a lot of fans had issues with FC's style.