Originally posted by leonidas
😂you're . . . having some trouble today, eh? anywho, see gundam's reply. as far as the dc bias--you want a dc guy to win, stop pitting them against guys who are out of their league. 😬
if you seriously don't think ss can fight in or near the same frame of speed as flash, you, well . . . shrug
as a normal guy (which is what flash would be when fighting someone who is traveling near his OWN speed) flash could land a million blows and it wouldn't mean jack to surfer. meanwhile, ss only needs to hit him one and it's over.
You're suggesting Surfer is out of Wally's league in this fight ? Good, prove it.
Show me Surfer fighting h2h, ever in the same frame speed as the Flash.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Didn't you hear? Surfer speed and reflexes gets cut exponentially when he's off his board 😂 .
You're suggesting that his on board speed (being able to travel lightyears in moments) is the same as his h2h combat ?
Cool. Show me scans of Surfer fighting, h2h, at milions of times lightspeed.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You're suggesting Surfer is out of Wally's league in this fight ? Good, prove it.
Show me Surfer fighting h2h, ever in the same frame speed as the Flash.
that's such a tired old forum cliche that really makes no sense. answer this:
can ss perceive and react to motion several 1000s of x the speed of light? can he move his body several 1000s of x the speed of light?
so, if he can react to things that fast, and if he can move that fast, explain to me why he couldn't fight at those speeds h2h? because there is no direct scan showing it? where are thanos's speed feats? why isn't he blitzed by ss and anyone else with speed? the argument is oldand lame, but cling to it if you need to. i'll stand by common sense.
unless i don't feel like it . . . 😖hifty:
Originally posted by leonidas'
so, if he can react to things that fast, and if he can move that fast, explain to me why he couldn't fight at those speeds h2h? because there is no direct scan showing it? where are thanos's speed feats? why isn't he blitzed by ss and anyone else with speed?
You're right, that argument there is old.
Maybe if Thanos had never been speedblitzed before, or if the Surfer had actually attempted to do so when they fought, this argument would've actually been worth something.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's such a tired old forum cliche that really makes no sense. answer this:can ss perceive and react to motion several 1000s of x the speed of light? can he move his body several 1000s of x the speed of light?
so, if he can react to things that fast, and if he can move that fast, explain to me why he couldn't fight at those speeds h2h? because there is no direct scan showing it? where are thanos's speed feats? why isn't he blitzed by ss and anyone else with speed? the argument is oldand lame, but cling to it if you need to. i'll stand by common sense.
unless i don't feel like it . . . 😖hifty:
Hey, odd.
Superman's that fast, yet he was a statue when the two fought across the world.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's such a tired old forum cliche that really makes no sense. answer this:can ss perceive and react to motion several 1000s of x the speed of light? can he move his body several 1000s of x the speed of light?
so, if he can react to things that fast, and if he can move that fast, explain to me why he couldn't fight at those speeds h2h? because there is no direct scan showing it? where are thanos's speed feats? why isn't he blitzed by ss and anyone else with speed? the argument is oldand lame, but cling to it if you need to. i'll stand by common sense.
unless i don't feel like it . . . 😖hifty:
He can fly, not punch/dodge/run/attack at that speeds in h2h. There is absolutley nothing in his entire history backing that up. And considering, like I said in the other thread, there are Earth Green Lanterns and other characters that have comparable speeds in flight and yet would be statues compared to Zoom in h2h combat, you don't really have an argument, from a logical or proof-standpoint.
Like I said in the other thread, Green Lanterns travel that speed all the time. Earth Green Lanterns. And many other characters who would still get mutilated by Zoom in h2h. Considering Surfer's cosmic senses, his map-like knowledge of the Universe and abilities, he doesn't exactly need to have 100000X lightspeed!!1 reaction time/movement speed. It's not that hard to understand.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Hey, odd.Superman's that fast, yet he was a statue when the two fought across the world.
Not to mention Superman was also blitz-owned by Zoom in direct h2h confrontation. But hey, Surfer obviously has a multitude of h2h speed feats that he'd have no problems against him, a guy who Wally while amped by Jay and Bart could only see as a blur.
First IMO Runner > The flash so that fight with SS to me really holds no water in this fight.
Second, do you really think Flashes punches can put down SS before he'll be able to land any?
Third, I believe Wally wins this fight but it won't be lopsided at all. I feel the stips play into Wally's hands a lot more the SS and thus he has the feats and situation to win this fight.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Not to mention Superman was also blitz-owned by Zoom in direct h2h confrontation. But hey, Surfer obviously has a multitude of h2h speed feats that he'd have no problems against him, a guy who Wally while amped by Jay and Bart could only see as a blur.
😂
show me any instance of superman displaying speeds that equal ss's best speed feats.
so, since you conveniently ignored all the questions last time, let's see if you'll ignore them again:
1. can ss move at 1000s of x light speed?
2. can he react to objects coming AT HIM at 1000s of x light speed?
3. can he PERCEIVE objects traveling and moving at 1000s of x light speed?