Silver Surfer vs The Flash

Originally posted by leonidas
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show me any instance of superman displaying speeds that equal ss's best speed feats.

so, since you conveniently ignored all the questions last time, let's see if you'll ignore them again:

1. can ss move at 1000s of x light speed?
2. can he react to objects coming AT HIM at 1000s of x light speed?
3. can he PERCEIVE objects traveling and moving at 1000s of x light speed?

Show me Surfer's best h2h combat speed feat. Then I'll show you Supes's best.

1.Can green lanterns move at 1000s of x light speed ?
2.Can they react at objects coming AT THEM at 1000 of x light speed?
3.can they PERCEIVE objects travelling and moving at 1000s of x light speed ?

That was easy.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Show me Surfer's best h2h combat speed feat. Then I'll show you Supes's best.

1.Can green lanterns move at 1000s of x light speed ?
2.Can they react at objects coming AT THEM at 1000 of x light speed?
3.can they PERCEIVE objects travelling and moving at 1000s of x light speed ?

That was easy.

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sophistry is so unbecoming and proves my point for me. you've no way of answering my questions without proving i'm correct. well done, and nice rudimentary way of avoiding the questions. 🙂

so, show me proof of all those things from a GL. for the record, in a forum setting, i'd say a GL would handle zoom as easily as ss would.

Originally posted by leonidas

for the record, in a forum setting, i'd say a GL would handle zoom as easily as ss would.

Originally posted by leonidas
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sophistry is so unbecoming and proves my point for me. you've no way of answering my questions without proving i'm correct. well done, and nice rudimentary way of avoiding the questions. 🙂

so, show me proof of all those things from a GL. for the record, in a forum setting, i'd say a GL would handle zoom as easily as ss would.

So counter-questions that prove my point, which is that flying speed means shit when it comes to h2h speed, suddenly prove your point ?

Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Philosophía
So counter-questions that prove my point, which is that flying speed means shit when it comes to h2h speed, suddenly prove your point ?

Jesus Christ.

so . . . do reaction speed and perceptual speed mean shit too? 🙂

Thor flies at many times lightspeed.

I guess he's going to take on Flash next.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Thor flies at many times lightspeed.

I guess he's going to take on Flash next.

thor uses magic. that changes everything. and he's really never been shown dodging things at those speeds (even while flying), or perceiving things at those speeds, either.

so . . . no. thor wouldn't beat flash by matching speeds with him.

Originally posted by leonidas
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show me any instance of superman displaying speeds that equal ss's best speed feats.

so, since you conveniently ignored all the questions last time, let's see if you'll ignore them again:

1. can ss move at 1000s of x light speed?
2. can he react to objects coming AT HIM at 1000s of x light speed?
3. can he PERCEIVE objects traveling and moving at 1000s of x light speed?

I can understand where you're coming from though...ie...surfer flies at 1000x lightspeed in space and can avoid meteors at such speed, hence he should be able to fight at such speed

however, I don't think it really works like that. Only people who have demonstrated being able to fight as a speed-blitzer can do so.

Originally posted by leonidas
thor uses magic. that changes everything. and he's really never been shown dodging things at those speeds (even while flying), or perceiving things at those speeds, either.

so . . . no. thor wouldn't beat flash by matching speeds with him.

Bullshit.

He flies several times at lightspeed by using Mjolnir. There's no magic involved there. It's like saying "Surfer uses magic, that changes everything" there's nothing to back it up, it's a stupid claim.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Bullshit.

He flies several times at lightspeed by using Mjolnir. There's no magic involved there. It's like saying "Surfer uses magic, that changes everything" there's nothing to back it up, it's a stupid claim.

then just show me thor dodging objects while flying at multiples of lightspeed.

stay on topic boys, or bans will be handed out.

he started it! he's always starting it . . . grumblegrumble . . .

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Originally posted by Raoul
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well, he is . . . 😮

Originally posted by leonidas
well, he is . . . 😮

i was directing it at the thread in general. 😛

far as i see it, anyone who can travel at insane speeds needs to be able to react and make course corrections, so they must have some sort of decent reflex speed, added on to whatever attributes are used to facilitate travel through space (ie looking great distances ahead, etc).

when it comes to competing with someone like wally, though, people need to bring feats to the table.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I think you're extrapolating too much from certain feats in comics

I can understand where you're coming from though...ie...surfer flies at 1000x lightspeed in space and can avoid meteors at such speed, hence he should be able to fight at such speed

however, I don't think it really works like that. Only people who have demonstrated being able to fight as a speed-blitzer can do so.

The thing is, characters get trapped by their own conventions: we have certain expectations of what a given character should or should not be able to do. So, eg, while Wonder Woman can take blows from Superman, she can't take bullets w/o bracelets (I know of the attempts to justify this, such as blunt force vs sharp impact, but IMO they're weak attempts). Or, while power cosmic can do virtually anything, 99 times out of 100 Norrin will still tumble from the sky if knocked off his board.

Anyway, the Surfer meeting Flash's h2h speed understandably makes one wanna go ❌ . If I were writing a battle for a comic, I'd likely show Flash getting the upper hand. On the other hand, he'd better be hitting with Supermanlike force. Otherwise, given that the Surfer is no slouch in speed, strength (even w/o amping or being on his board) and especially durability, he'll eventually land a decisive haymaker.

Of course, another factor in h2h combat is skill. While Surfer is no martial artist, he has shown some impressive h2h skills. I don't know how capable Flash is in this area, though offhand, he's never struck me as a martial artist either.

to compare ss on his board to not being on it is just faulty logic. ill use the example of him perceiving,reacting, & evading stars and such while on his board moving at thousands times the speed of light. if u switch it around and have ss stationary on his board and the stars flying past at multiples of light speed he could evade them it would be the same as if he was flying past them. but if i took away his board and had the same objects flying past at that speed he could still visually or mentally perceive them, he could even react, but without the added speed of the board he wouldn't be able to move out of the way fast enough. reacting is different than evading, someone could go to punch me in the face i could see it coming, react and try to get out of the way that doesn't guarantee i will.

Originally posted by Enyalus
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Except Goober and Naija. Their SS sigs allow them to be uber fanboys beyond all reproach. 👆 [/B]

😛 I actually think surfer loses this match.

While i dont really agree with the arguments that completely equate SS travel/speed with his combat/reflex speed in battle, those who are comparing SS to the likes of thor and green lantern are idiots. (though i dont think u were one of them). SS may not have a bevy of h2h blitz feats, but unlike GLs and Thor, he does have very impressive speedblitz feats in which he uses his blasts. Something which neither Gls nor thor are capable of doing. Moreover in the event that they are capable of performing such in battle, then it would be evidence of combat speed/

The above feats are similar to blitzes performed by superman and flash with the only difference being that he used BLASTS and not physical attacks. Note that these feats were performed in battle and hence are extremely relevant in terms of SS combat speed. However, the presence of his board(which i assume wont be avaiilable in this match) reduces but doesnt totally remove their relevance in his match. Ill explain why. While SS board is what is responsible for the superfast movement seen in those scans, it is SS in battle reactions and reflexes that enabled him to initiate and dodge multiple attacks while operating at superspeed. Further while initiating and directing blasts doesnt require as much limb movement as punching, it DOES require some limb movement and hence that is an indication that SS CAN move his limbs at superspeed. Now while i certainly wouldnt give him the victory in a pure h2h match against a character like flash whose method of attack is physically blitzing people with punches (as opposed to blitzing with blasts like SS) it is absolutely inane to somehow ignore such examples of clear all round combat speed and begin to claim that SS has only travel speed which is useless in combat. Yes his board DOES provide him with his ultra fast movement speed (which he would need to have a chance at winning this h2h match) but he DOES have the ability to move his limbs at superspeed as well as react at superspeed.

Further proof of my point about superfast limb movement in addition to the superfast movement while on his board can be seen in other feats such as his bullrush of nova in which he hits grabs and throws nova (limb movement) so fast that nova (a speedster himeself) is totally unaware of what happened and asks iof he was hit by an energy blast.
It can also be seen in his stoppage of ganyemede (a FTL character) speedblitz with a backhand slap. (note this blitz was only possible after the initial cheapshot ganyemede landed on surfer.)

Therefore to reiterate it once again, surfer DOES lose this match (especially do to his reduced superfast movement caused by the lack of his board) he does have the ability to move his limbs at speeds necessary to initiate and direct attacks at superspeed while moving on his board (which he has shown in battle) and hence the belief that he has simply "travel speed" which is useless in combat is completely nonsesical.

Originally posted by leonidas
like runner with the time gem, you mean.

Runner didn't have time gem....