501st vs. Hogwarts

Well durh haermm

I would estimate 4 x 36 (based on 6x6 formation) So maybe between 100-130? Thats from memory. I'll check for sure when I next watch the movie.

Darth Vader solos everyone, including the troopers.

The Force>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All

The only source on numbers for the 501st is EU. So let's just say there's 500 of them. lol Aren't I clever.

Also Hogwarts gets its teachers and students plus the Order and Death Eaters. Why? Because otherwise they're nothing but a school full of untrained wizards with 2 or 3 notable powerhouses. This way they get Voldemort and whatnot.

I wonder if I should have held this off til HBP came out and we saw what else they all can do.

Actually, there is a good source, wookieepedia.

Even after the fall of the Empire, the squabbling of local warlords caused the 501st Legion to be dissolved and its soldiers assigned to other units. Grand Admiral Thrawn, upon assuming command of the Imperial military, resurrected the name 501st Legion, knowing the important symbolism of the name. Thrawn assigned the unit to protect the Empire of the Hand in the Unknown Regions. Outsiders who encountered them, such as Mara Jade Skywalker, assumed that Admiral Voss Parck had revived the designation and built up a new 501st from scratch, but no direct evidence is known to substantiate this, although there were some indications that the 501st may have been reorganized as a significantly smaller formation than previously. Unusually for an Imperial legion, this generation of the 501st now incorporated non-Humans into its ranks, such as the Eickarie, Su-mil.[5]

A company was now just forty troopers strong, and apparently designated by one of the thirty-four letters of Aurebesh. This suggests that the total strength of the legion, which had never previously been much less than 10,000, may now have been as low as 1,360 men.

There was something else there, but I can't find it now.

Actually, there is a good source, wookieepedia.

It is a good source. I've used it many times. But this is only movies. What is said or shown in the movies and nthing else.

Originally posted by Luminatus
The only source on numbers for the 501st is EU. So let's just say there's 500 of them. lol Aren't I clever.

Also Hogwarts gets its teachers and students plus the Order and Death Eaters. Why? Because otherwise they're nothing but a school full of untrained wizards with 2 or 3 notable powerhouses. This way they get Voldemort and whatnot.

I wonder if I should have held this off til HBP came out and we saw what else they all can do.

"Accio lightsaber", disarm Annie, then death spell him.

Force pull>Accio spell

Dozens of wizards Accioing pwns force pull. Plus if Annie is force pulling, he is open for attack.

Don't you need to know the name of the object to use Accio on it?

And not all of them can apparate, and considering the advanced military training and tactics the 501st have, they can entrench, and then pick off everyone who apparates, they may lose a soldier here and there, but eventually they win.

And who said Umbridge was there. Since she hasn't been there in all the movies, I think the TS needs to specify her presence.

Umbridge was in the OOTP movie. She was a teacher and headmistress. She counts.

But she was also left in the forest, chased and had god knows what done to her by Centaurs, then brought back gift wrapped and crazier than the Joker. For all we know, she could just be in her room counting choco frogs.

And he never mentioned that this was during OOTP, he just added VOldy and the DE to help them out.

Originally posted by KingD19
But she was also left in the forest, chased and had god knows what done to her by Centaurs, then brought back gift wrapped and crazier than the Joker. For all we know, she could just be in her room counting choco frogs.

And he never mentioned that this was during OOTP, he just added VOldy and the DE to help them out.

Doesnt matter if she was dragged off into the forest, she was in the OOTP movie as a teacher and headmistress and with the ministry.

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Originally posted by Luminatus

Also Hogwarts gets its teachers and students plus the Order and Death Eaters. Why? Because otherwise they're nothing but a school full of untrained wizards with 2 or 3 notable powerhouses.

There it is, Umbridge counts.

Lets see, the 501st will be dealing with the following:

Voldemort, Snape and Dumbledore flying around, using Avada Kedavra and Legilimency, among other spells.

Voldemort using friendfyre to produce big ass fire serpents.

The Death Eaters flying around, using the death spells and may other spells.

The OOTP flying around, using whatever spell they see fit.

The combatants listed above apparating around like nightcrawler, death spelling, also using side apparition to remove Clones from the battlefield.

Dumbledore army targeting Clone weaponry, using expelliarmus or reducto to disarm them.

Umbridge sicking the dementors on the clones, who will not be able to see them to mount a defense.

Every other member of the school using magic spells left and right. The only problem is Anakin, who will be hit by a death spell sooner or later, probably sooner.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dozens of wizards Accioing pwns force pull. Plus if Annie is force pulling, he is open for attack.

those dozens of wizards arent going to be able to focus on him because theyll be too busy getting shot at by the hundreds of troops.

She was only a teacher for one movie, I still think we need clarification, because if we go by your logic, then Gilderoy Lockheart will be used as well.

And all that is nice, but the 501st have got blasters, all they have to do is keep firing, and the sheer number of them will make up for the magic Hogwarts has. And the 501st are an elite fighting force, not the cannon fodder that we saw in the original trilogy.

Also, he never said Dementor's could be used, and again, when he said teachers, I think he meant main stays: Dumbledore, Snape, McGonagall, not one timers like Umbridge.

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
voldy, the death eaters and the OOTP + students beat troopers and anakin, imo. Too much for the boys.

only hogwarts peeps without the OOTP and Voldy and the death eaters though, hogwarts gets pwned.

Anakin would probably take down a lot before getting hit by a death curse. But he'll still get hit.

501st would get owned in this one. Although I think that the students would get the brunt of the attack - maybe some death eaters and a member of the OOTP, but mostly, the 501st gets screwed.

blasters are great and all, but they'd get wiped out by the strong peeps.

throw in the Jedi Council and the sith in the movies, though, and Hogwarts gets pwned.

Originally posted by KingD19
She was only a teacher for one movie, I still think we need clarification, because if we go by your logic, then Gilderoy Lockheart will be used as well.

And all that is nice, but the 501st have got blasters, all they have to do is keep firing, and the sheer number of them will make up for the magic Hogwarts has. And the 501st are an elite fighting force, not the cannon fodder that we saw in the original trilogy.

Also, he never said Dementor's could be used, and again, when he said teachers, I think he meant main stays: Dumbledore, Snape, McGonagall, not one timers like Umbridge.

The clones can blast away all day, how are they gonna target the wizards on the gound AND the wizards in the air? And apparition, how will they deal with apparition? How are they gonna handle a huge fire serpent? What are they gonna do when they are relieved of their weapons? The wizards have WAY too much power and spells at their disposal here.

The Clones are, sorry to say, outclassed here. Hurts me to say that, because you know I am a huge SW fan.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The clones can blast away all day, how are they gonna target the wizards on the gound AND the wizards in the air?

um... guns are ranged weapons...

Originally posted by WO Polaski
um... guns are ranged weapons...