Wolverine vs Spiderman

Originally posted by ankur29
SM is a douchebag is close quarter combat , his superstats are negated by extreme MA skill and i'd put it down to SMnot knowing any fighting disciplines ;thats why he is always getting owned by physically inferior opponents (DD,electra,kingpin,captain america,daken,wolverine), spiderman's fans can't call it PIS as that has almost always been the case

SM being more powerful than his opponents doesnt really matter against somone like logan who can shrugg of SM's best 😬
the only scenario SM woudl win against logan due to his speed/strength would be if this were a olympic style sprint/ press lift contest

Logan wins , his skills too much for SM

Spiderman has a very marginall speed advantage vs wolverine. Wolverine speed feats match all of spidermans. I am speaking of combat speed and small burst of speed for short distances, not running great distances in a line. Spiderman real advantages are agility and strength.

Though logan has moved so fast people could not even see him

asside form that I agree

Originally posted by ankur29
>i meant in terms of strength,however i'm pretty sure logan can punch as hard as SM if not harder due to his combat mastery

check this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfnGkV6qmTw

(993 lb punch demonstrated and i'm sure there are better punchers, i,e foremoan /tyson etc i bet than guy can't press a third of that )

now if SM learnt how to fight , his punchess would be sevaral fold greatr than 10 tons

>SM is more agile,has better reflexes and has more raw speed(as in able to run in a stright line , he's chased down accelerating cars on foot 😐), logan matches and dominates him becasue of his fighting skills being astronomically greater...'mastery of all forms of combat' etc
(i.e usain bolt vs bruce lee in a fight, usain bolt who can run faster will not know what hit him , perhaps its not the best example)

>i know logan is more durable beacuse of his healing factor ,however SM body is resistant to injury , his body is tougher than ordinary and has been commneted on by superstrong people

>logan has more fighting skills is an understaemnet , however skill isn't a physical attribute and you treat it as such whcih seems to be what you have done

Reflexes, you have got to be joking, both have amazing reflexes; hell, wolverine dodged cykes blast more than once at point blank range.

Raw speed, also debatable; for every speed feat you have of spiderman, I could present one for wolverine.

Agility, I agree but its not by a huge gap, wolverine is pretty close in that category.

Spidey physically isnt more powerful than logan, I dont know where you're getting this from.

Beast outran a truck going 75 miles per hr and caught it, Beast can lift 35 tons, beast can jump 50 ft in the air and is just as agile (could be more) as spiderman. Has a healing factor acute senses and razor sharp claws. Do you consider him to be more powerful than spidey?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Spiderman has a very marginall speed advantage vs wolverine. Wolverine speed feats match all of spidermans. I am speaking of combat speed and small burst of speed for short distances, not running great distances in a line. Spiderman real advantages are agility and strength.
Though logan has moved so fast people could not even see him

asside form that I agree

SM has no real speed adavantage at all in 'a fight' , but if they were racing for speed's sake i think SM would be a fair winner
also aren't SM relfexes superior (isn't it like 40x or 15x greaetr than a normal human)?

and i meant running speed as in a sprint , i think SM woudl beat most like logan/cap or any other human in a 100m spirnt

Originally posted by carver9
Reflexes, you have got to be joking, both have amazing reflexes; hell, wolverine dodged cykes blast more than once at point blank range.

Originally posted by carver9

Spidey physically isnt more powerful than logan, I dont know where you're getting this from.

Originally posted by carver9
Beast outran a truck going 75 miles per hr and caught it, Beast can lift 35 tons, beast can jump 50 ft in the air and is just as agile (could be more) as spiderman. Has a healing factor acute senses and razor sharp claws. Do you consider him to be more powerful than spidey?

did they say the car is going 75mph?
i've never seen the 35 ton figure for beast?
50ft in the air??
just as agile if not more??then is beast must be just as agile as logan if more?(have they made this compariosn betwen logan&beast beast&SM in comic books or is this your belief?)
i never seen most of your figures ,are you basing this on beast 'high end feats'?? if so then yes SM is more powerful but kudos to beast have a more faster healing factor?

Originally posted by steverules_2
Wolverine could just nuke the place...spiderman isn't gonna survive that but wolverine is awesome

👆 after all Wolverine can beat Superman or Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by ankur29
SM has no real speed adavantage at all in 'a fight' , but if they were racing for speed's sake i think SM would be a fair winner
also aren't SM relfexes superior (isn't it like 40x or 15x greaetr than a normal human)?

and i meant running speed as in a sprint , i think SM woudl beat most like logan/cap or any other human in a 100m spirnt

is that reflex or agility ??

i just looked through my post you just replied to , i didnt say that so where are you getting it from, i said "i meant in terms of strength,however i'm pretty sure logan can punch as hard as SM if not harder due to his combat mastery " ?

did they say the car is going 75mph?
i've never seen the 35 ton figure for beast?
50ft in the air??
just as agile if not more??then is beast must be just as agile as logan if more?(have they made this compariosn betwen logan&beast beast&SM in comic books or is this your belief?)
i never seen most of your figures ,are you basing this on beast 'high end feats'?? if so then yes SM is more powerful but kudos to beast have a more faster healing factor?

😕 Beast lifted spirals space ship over his head. Beast stalemated "Danger" the android that took out the entire xmen including colossus. It is known that beast is a 35 tonner.

Yes, it said that the car was going 75 mph, he was chasing down one of the new xmen.

Beast jumped from the ground onto the top of the xmen mansion, how many feat do you think that is.

Yes I think both beast and spiderman are more agile than wolverine.

Originally posted by carver9
😕 Beast lifted spirals space ship over his head. Beast stalemated "Danger" the android that took out the entire xmen including colossus. It is known that beast is a 35 tonner.

Yes, it said that the car was going 75 mph, he was chasing down one of the new xmen.

Beast jumped from the ground onto the top of the xmen mansion, how many feat do you think that is.

Yes I think both beast and spiderman are more agile than wolverine.

tbh 75mp is very impressive 😱 , i dunno if SM can do that 😖

so are you insinuating for an instant that beast was stronger than colossus?

SM has leaped whole builings , swung around 50 tons tanks like a shotput (that is like class 100 feat 😐) yes based on 'high end feats' SM is more powerful than beast

just to clarify why i think SM has more raw speed than logan /other's who have similar feats of speed ,agility ,relfexes ,etc

everyone knows logan is an uber fighter with wealth of fighting knowledge, so when he does a feat like moving so fast he can't be seen he has lots of fighting disciplines to draw on i.e ninjitsu or whatever to accomplish his speed feat 9 i read somewehere someone who fought a expert MA but floored before he knew what had just happened , ill try and find teh article) a percenatge of logan accomplishing the feat is down to his raw speed/attriburtes combined with his MA skill , same with cap etc pt is logan uses some skill to move fast ! sm can't he relies soley on his powers to do that ... so he must have more raw speed to imiate speds feast without any real fighting skills

Originally posted by ankur29
tbh 75mp is very impressive 😱 , i dunno if SM can do that 😖

so are you insinuating for an instant that beast was stronger than colossus?

SM has leaped whole builings , swung around 50 tons tanks like a shotput (that is like class 100 feat 😐) yes based on 'high end feats' SM is more powerful than beast

just to clarify why i think SM has more raw speed than logan /other's who have similar feats of speed ,agility ,relfexes ,etc

everyone knows logan is an uber fighter with wealth of fighting knowledge, so when he does a feat like moving so fast he can't be seen he has lots of fighting disciplines to draw on i.e ninjitsu or whatever to accomplish his speed feat 9 i read somewehere someone who fought a expert MA but floored before he knew what had just happened , ill try and find teh article) a percenatge of logan accomplishing the feat is down to his raw speed/attriburtes combined with his MA skill , same with cap etc pt is logan uses some skill to move fast ! sm can't he relies soley on his powers to do that ... so he must have more raw speed to imiate speds feast without any real fighting skills

Good post but I still dont think spiderman have a gap in speed against wolvie.

Originally posted by ankur29

also aren't SM relfexes superior (isn't it like 40x or 15x greaetr than a normal human)?

Originally posted by ankur29
and i meant running speed as in a sprint , i think SM woudl beat most like logan/cap or any other human in a 100m spirnt

Wolverine not a human, He a lupin.

depends really how far, Logan has shown for short distances he can move faster then human I can fallow, or even see at times.

Wolverine FTW

Originally posted by carver9
Prove that spiderman is faster and wolverine have stabbed people much faster than spiderman, what did that prove. 😕

Spidey admitted that he couldnt keep up with cap so you cant call that pis when spidey admitted that cap was too much for him, even with his webbing.

cap is faster than spidey? and he said so? wolverine is also faster than spidey?

WAY too much work to be done here, not touchin that one

Originally posted by grimify
I've been a corrections officer for almost 3 years now, and I've been in more than my share of fights in work and in my personal life. It is very helpful to be able to grapple in a restraint, obviously. It can also be extremely detrimental in a chaotic environment. You can't see what's going on around you when you're rolling around on the ground. I've been field-goal style kicked in the junk while holding a guy down, and it was not fun. Not at all.

The average street-fight usually ends with whoever lands the first good shot, at least in my experience. It's safer to kick someone in the head as opposed to trying to wrestle with them on the ground. Still, it's good to know how to defend yourself just in case you are put in that position.

Oh, Spider-Man stomps. 😱

Originally posted by Battlehammer
nick Fury classified wolverine as a power level 9 and spiderman as a power level 8

Originally posted by namorsubby
my lord.

cap is faster than spidey? and he said so? wolverine is also faster than spidey?

WAY too much work to be done here, not touchin that one

I guess Spiderman is as durable as Wolverine since has been hit by the Hulk before.

Funny thing is that this wasn't even argued back when I joined, it started to get bad in like 2007. Made a thread on it already, point is clear to 99% of the forum. Kingpin has "tagged" Spiderman but he won't beat him in a real match or in speed. To move faster than the eye can see means you have to move several times faster than the speed of sound at human size, so no.

Almost all of the street level MA's that "give Spiderman a hard time" (they don't "constantly own"😉 him, wouldn't be nearly as much trouble on KMC, where the plot isn't the point. Anytime you put two big names together it's a draw.

Spider-man IS faster than Wolverine. That's a fact. But Wolverine still wins the majority. HF + skills + claws + Spider-man acting within his character fights like an idiot because he's too much of a boyscout and is always too busy cracking jokes...

Originally posted by The Nuul
👆 after all Wolverine can beat Superman or Wonder Woman.

Considering it's wolverine...he could beat them both at the same time

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine reflexes speed comapred to a humans has never been stated how fast, just that it faster. He been stated with hyper reflexes. His feat say he and spiderman are the same speed in reflexes, the differences is spidersenses, gives spiderman early warnings, though wolverine senses can and do work similar, it not quite as good as spide senses. However there actaully reflex speed is in the same class.
Wolverine not a human, He a lupin.

i never said he was , i said :

"and i meant running speed as in a sprint , i think SM woudl beat most like logan/cap or any other human in a 100m spirnt "

i meant SM would pace the normal people who match his speed in combat which include normal humans (like shang chi,daredevil,elecktra,kingpin etc ) and logan and cap who are above normal

Originally posted by Battlehammer
depends really how far, Logan has shown for short distances he can move faster then human I can fallow, or even see at times.

i don't think " faster then the human eye can follow" is in the literal sense , c- master correctly mentioned that to move to fast as to dissaper to teh extent the eye can't follow a human size body would have to be going much faster than sound , but to appear a blur directly in front of someone ...
i.e like a metre or two away from an observer , soemone moving at say peak human speed say 27-30mph (12.07008 - 13.4112 meters per second ) the observer will be like ... " F*ck , how the hell did he get there " - i.e. moved 12-13.4 meters in that 1 second ??

now logan/cap moving this quickly/appearing to move this quickly is down to a combination of the two factor
1) hisextenisive training background
2) his physiology being above human standard

human fighter like teh one's i mentioned who are able to copy dodge/speed feats that cap/logan can produce

are doing it on thier human physicolgy no bonuses there and releying solely on skill!

so when we compare Sm speed feats to an experienced MA and say yes they are the same fast we can't say how much of the feat is depenedant on how much of each factor but logan/cap will definately be drawing on skill when intimidating or fighting an opponent ,they use the two to create blitz feats and moving fast feats

an example of how skill may be mistaken fro raw speed is slicing a gun before the guy knows, samurai slice them bamboo blocks before the guy's fully realised it was done , they were able to folow the sword in slo mo camera fully

SM does the speed feat based on 1 factor only
his superhuman physiology , he has no skills to rely on , or skill to combine with his speed to blitz.

Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man IS faster than Wolverine. That's a fact. But Wolverine still wins the majority. HF + skills + claws + Spider-man acting within his character fights like an idiot because he's too much of a boyscout and is always too busy cracking jokes...

Spiderman has "skill", he's been doing this for decades, so he knows how to use his own body better than anyone else does. Coupled with a massive cardiovascular advantage. I'm not sure people understand how MA "skill" works, so let me elaborate.

In terms of raw speed, I'm the fastest person in my martial arts class, the strongest too. I have unequaled speed, especially when I accelerate. Now a more experienced member might be able to emulate speed in certain techniques because he's been doing them longer, but he still *isn't* faster than me. Martial arts "skill" does NOT grant you a massive speed boost. Now when I got better my reaction time got better and my moves I practiced got better, but I also did other things to improve my speed l ike running with 100+ lbs on me. So when I explode I get a huge speed boost. Kinda like having superhuman strength in a light body.

I'm tired of hearing people misuse "skill" like it's magic or a lantern ring on the forum. Skill doesn't give you a HUGE boost in abilities. Spiderman vs Classic Iron Man would be like that, Iron Man is much faster than Spidermani n movement, but not straight up close with reflexes because of his suit (extremis is another matter entirely). That upclose advantage ain't doing a whole lot because Iron Man isn't dumb enough to fight upclose and even then...

Skill is what you do, Spiderman has been dodging and moving for decades from people leagues faster than this. Ock's tentacles, Carnage's Tentacles, etc, can all kill him, but they don't.... hmmm wonder why? They also move much faster than the combatant in this thread. These arguments went from Spiderman is much faster than Wolverine to SPiderman is a bit faster, to Spiderman is the same speed, and now Cap and Wolverine are faster? My goodness. So, the Spiderman has no skill argument doesn't really fly as he has his own unorthodox style. Could training help him? Yes, but it would help him tactically he wouldn't have a need to do them the same way more human based characters would. Fighting is primarily about survival, which Spiderman is good at right off the bat.

And Spiderman fights at his *best* on this thread, not as a "silly goofball who just had his first fight" he's serious. With the stealth advantage (the armour doesn't have a distinct scent that's easy to trace) he'd have the edge with webbing and all, unless there's a crazy stip I don't see. Then again Wolverine vs Gamora is ridiculously long when it shouldn't have lasted a page. 😬

Woah! Didn't expect to get such a huge respond. You got me wrong there. Im the same guy who argued that Spider-man using his powers at fullest potential can win majority against Logan. But the thing is, it barely ever happens in comicbooks. According to the forum rules characters fight within their personalities and it is within Peters personality to jump around cracking jokes. He'd never use his superior speed to say rip opponents eyes out And to win a fight against Logan he'd have to be ready to do things like that. But he just won't.

You brought a good point there - Carnage's tentacles. Its a known fact that symbiotes tentacles move faster than bullets but unlike bullets can change their direction, SM dodges them with ease, even without his ss he doesn't get cut. So it's another point in SM's favor. You see, im not doubting Spider-man's abilities and skills here, im just saying that it is well within his personality to act careless or to not take the fight seriously. That's why he'd lose. Also CURRENT Spider-man's ss works worse than it did BEFORE all the upgrades. And it looks like he's slower than he used to be.

Originally posted by SamZED
Woah! Didn't expect to get such a huge respond. You got me wrong there. Im the same guy who argued that Spider-man using his powers at fullest potential can win majority against Logan. But the thing is, it barely ever happens in comicbooks. According to the forum rules characters fight within their personalities and it is within Peters personality to jump around cracking jokes. He'd never use his superior speed to say rip opponents eyes out And to win a fight against Logan he'd have to be ready to do things like that. But he just won't.

You brought a good point there - Carnage's tentacles. Its a known fact that symbiotes tentacles move faster than bullets but unlike bullets can change their direction, SM dodges them with ease, even without his ss he doesn't get cut. So it's another point in SM's favor. You see, im not doubting Spider-man's abilities and skills here, im just saying that it is well within his personality to act careless or to not take the fight seriously. That's why he'd lose. Also CURRENT Spider-man's ss works worse than it did BEFORE all the upgrades. And it looks like he's slower than he used to be.

When has he ever killed Thor, Herc, Gamora, Spiderman, DD, Cap, etc with one swipe? It won't happen because they are too good and will find ways around it. Not that they can't be hit, but it won't be this stupid... "one swipe and it's over" nonsense. Because that NEVER happens. Ever. Maybe with some scrub or ninja fodder, but not even with characters like Cyclops. And the other fighters would murder cyke H2H. These characters have dodged worse. Then you have stealth, which means he has less depth perception of his opponent, ALONG with his webbing, cmon. Not that the previous post was aimed specifically at you anyways, not completely. I just quoted and kept going. 😛

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Martial arts "skill" does NOT grant you a massive speed boost.

Actually depending on style it does improve your actual speed by quite a bit by eliminating wastful tensing of the muschles and focus on proper movement. In addition it reduces reaction times greatly and a skilled person will think several moves ahead keeping his body in the right place and balanced for any action, eliminating the need to wind up. A skilled person is faster than he was untrained and does not waste his energy. He will also anticipate the opponent and use his movement against him, seming even faster.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Actually depending on style it does improve your actual speed by quite a bit by eliminating wastful tensing of the muschles and focus on proper movement. In addition it reduces reaction times greatly and a skilled person will think several moves ahead keeping his body in the right place and balanced for any action, eliminating the need to wind up. A skilled person is faster than he was untrained and does not waste his energy. He will also anticipate the opponent and use his movement against him, seming even faster.

MA gives you the tools to enhance your abilities, but you won't walk out 10x faster, stronger, etc. You are just using physics better with what you have.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

MA gives you the tools to enhance your abilities, but you won't walk out 10x faster, stronger, etc. You are just using physics better with what you have.

this is one of the points i was trying to make ,logan's/cap duplicating a SM speed feat is based on them being able to move apparently as effectiviely as him , they are using their MA tools to enhacne what thier abilities and the standard they show in teh feats is thier wealth of exp of fighting disciplines + physical power

SM doesn't have the MA skill to increase what he's got , he uses sheer spiderspeed when he does something impressive ... hence he has more raw speed that logan/cap