Wolverine vs Spiderman

Originally posted by ankur29
this is one of the points i was trying to make ,logan's/cap duplicating a SM speed feat is based on them being able to move apparently as effectiviely as him , they are using their MA tools to enhacne what thier abilities and the standard they show in teh feats is thier wealth of exp of fighting disciplines + physical power

SM doesn't have the MA skill to increase what he's got , he uses sheer spiderspeed when he does something impressive ... hence he has more raw speed that logan/cap

Originally posted by ankur29
this is one of the points i was trying to make ,logan's/cap duplicating a SM speed feat is based on them being able to move apparently as effectiviely as him , they are using their MA tools to enhacne what thier abilities and the standard they show in teh feats is thier wealth of exp of fighting disciplines + physical power

SM doesn't have the MA skill to increase what he's got , he uses sheer spiderspeed when he does something impressive ... hence he has more raw speed that logan/cap

The thing is, cap and wolverine has physical speed without the training in martial arts, etc..... they're just phsically fast. These arent humans that we're talking about, wolverine was born enhanced so its pretty much common sense that his speed feats come from his natural physical abilities.

Fight won't come down to speed. Spiderman wasn't able to capitalize with his upgrades and suit against Cap, he won't with Wolverine.
Wolverine guts him.

I was rereading my issue of Wolverine vol.2 #51, just the other day. And I still can't get over how Wolverine's mind works in a berserker state. Man... If Logan gos into a rage, it's game over for Spidey. Sorry Spidey, but I gotta go with the man with the claws.

Jin, as much as I respect your opinion (and i really do) Cap's fight with Spider-man is not the best example. I wouldn't call it poor writing, but there were resons for why Parker was getting his ass handed to him. Although I agree that Wolverine's gonna win this fight sooner or later if SM is gonna fight like he often does in the comics (fooling around, cracking jokes and not taking the fight all that serious) but when he fought Cap he wasn't just holding back, he didn't want to fight at all. He had this "he throws the symbol of the whol frikkin country at me!" thing going on.

I just dont see him seriously fight someone he admires so much.

Originally posted by carver9
The thing is, cap and wolverine has physical speed without the training in martial arts, etc..... they're just phsically fast. These arent humans that we're talking about, wolverine was born enhanced so its pretty much common sense that his speed feats come from his natural physical abilities.

yh i knwo they have above human speed , i am not denouncing yet

but one must realise that when considering a speed feat blitz,or striking an enemy with them barely reaslising , credit has to go to MA skill as well as thier raw speed alone wheras SM does relies more on his powers
than teh established fighter street leveler.. now if SM was able to master a few fighting discipline he woudl be much more fiormidable

for example if you check a page or two back thers a guy who can kick with >1500 lbs impact , a boxer punching at 990lbs SM would hit several times harder, kick harder use physics better ,chi etc he would be better fighther ,

we'd actually be able to clearly see the speed diff between him and other street lvl charecters in h2h also as the feild will be more even

cause at present spiderman using his own amateur fighting skills and phsyical stats is =/>than other street levelers using thier refined skill and stats

SM with refined skills will really have a significant edge as the what if SM vs wolverine indicated

Originally posted by SamZED
Jin, as much as I respect your opinion (and i really do) Cap's fight with Spider-man is not the best example. I wouldn't call it poor writing, but there were resons for why Parker was getting his ass handed to him. Although I agree that Wolverine's gonna win this fight sooner or later if SM is gonna fight like he often does in the comics (fooling around, cracking jokes and not taking the fight all that serious) but when he fought Cap he wasn't just holding back, he didn't want to fight at all. He had this "he throws the symbol of the whol frikkin country at me!" thing going on.

I just dont see him seriously fight someone he admires so much.

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Thank you, but... they fought in Civil War right before Stark started beating Cap, and Cap had Spidey airborn.

There is no MA skill that allows some one to runing faster then normal. I am not talking about swing speed or anything like this, I am refferring to legitment blizting feats, and skill has nothing to do with them.

Originally posted by ankur29
yh i knwo they have above human speed , i am not denouncing yet

but one must realise that when considering a speed feat blitz,or striking an enemy with them barely reaslising , credit has to go to MA skill as well as thier raw speed alone wheras SM does relies more on his powers
than teh established fighter street leveler.. now if SM was able to master a few fighting discipline he woudl be much more fiormidable

for example if you check a page or two back thers a guy who can kick with >1500 lbs impact , a boxer punching at 990lbs SM would hit several times harder, kick harder use physics better ,chi etc he would be better fighther ,

we'd actually be able to clearly see the speed diff between him and other street lvl charecters in h2h also as the feild will be more even

cause at present spiderman using his own amateur fighting skills and phsyical stats is =/>than other street levelers using thier refined skill and stats

SM with refined skills will really have a significant edge as the what if SM vs wolverine indicated

So due to martial arts, cap can run 60 mph? 😕 Thats crazy

Originally posted by jinzin
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Thank you, but... they fought in Civil War right before Stark started beating Cap, and Cap had Spidey airborn.

Originally posted by SamZED
I know, that's the fight I was talking about. Parker clearly didn't want to fight Cap. He DID fight him, but he didn't want to. More than that he hated himself for that.

If I went invisible and used Steve's shield against him, I'd hate myself too... 😐

Originally posted by carver9
So due to martial arts, cap can run 60 mph? 😕 Thats crazy

???i never said that 😖
cap should't be able to run at 60mph in the first place that is not humanly possible at all , since when has peak human meant nearly as fast a cheetah...

that incidentw as one off ,PIS cap can run at around 27-30mph

Originally posted by ankur29
cap should't be able to run at 60mph that is not human possiable at all , since whenhas peqak human meant as fast a cheetah

that incidentw as one off , cap can run at around 30mph

what you say does not hold precedences over on panel state facts.

also he not simply peak human, he the next step in human evolution, he actaully superhuman becuases it not even possiable to reach his level.

Cap is superhuman by just the physical attributes he has reached in each area of abilities... even other peak humans know that cap is superior to them in many areas. Bucky himself stated that cap was 3x faster,stronger, smarter then himself who is also peak human.

Nazi scientist/Soldiers also claimed him top be 10x stronger then the average man.

Cap is slight superhuman from everything he does in his comic feats and physical powers and abilities and stats.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Cap is superhuman by just the physical attributes he has reached in each area of abilities... even other peak humans know that cap is superior to them in many areas. Bucky himself stated that cap was 3x faster,stronger, smarter then himself who is also peak human.

Nazi scientist/Soldiers also claimed him top be 10x stronger then the average man.

Cap is slight superhuman from everything he does in his comic feats and physical powers and abilities and stats.

buky never got the SS... he not peak but athlete , blaack panther/red skull are peak

cap isn't superhuman that is his pwoerset... and it has never been said otherwise even in comics with him performing said superhuman feats

10x stronger than the avearage man so what? he can bench 500kg , assuming a normal guy can bench 50kg
current world strongest man man can bench like 350- 400kg thast 7/8 x average human

just cause he is 10 tiems stronger doesn't mean he can run as fast as a cheetah...

Originally posted by ankur29
buky never got the SS... he not peak but athlete , blaack panther/red skull are peak

cap isn't superhuman that is his pwoerset... and it has never been said otherwise even in comics with him performing said superhuman feats

10x stronger than the avearage man so what? he can bench 500kg , assuming a normal guy can bench 50kg
current world strongest man man can bench like 350- 400kg thast 7/8 x average human

just cause he is 10 tiems stronger doesn't mean he can run as fast as a cheetah...

actaully black panther is superhuman, has been stated on pannel and is due to the herb he took.

actaully capt is superhuman, he the next step in human evolution, that in it self makes him superhuman.

average man ben 100, not 50 who the hell cant bench 50 that a full grown man.

also capt could very well be 10 faster then a normal human

Originally posted by Battlehammer

also capt could very well be 10 faster then a normal human

prove it

Originally posted by Starscream M
prove it

Though if you wanted evidences all you have to do is look at his respect thread. like running mile in a minute which is at least 10 times normal human speed.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I said he very well could be, not that he is.

Though if you wanted evidences all you have to do is look at his respect thread. like running mile in a minute which is at least 10 times normal human speed.

so an average man runs at 6mph??

Originally posted by ankur29
so an average man runs at 6mph??

He's not so good at the simple math.