Shaman Nate vs Hal Jordan

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Incorrect they grant resistance not immunity. I remember Guy and co struggling with them on.

GLs have shown considerable resistance against TP'ers WITHOUT their shields (such as when Hal fought Guy, Star Sapphire *and* Hector Hammond w/o tp-shields) being up, and to date when ever they HAVE been up all tp-atks (Fernus being a notable exception) have been nullified.

unless U can be more specific of the instance U saw them struggling w/them up, GL tp-shields grant immunity.

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Nate Grey. - Lord Yaru
You know who I am? - Nate
I’ve heard of you. I study mutants, you’re a telepath. My estate is laced with psinoic inhibitors. I’ve switched them on. Your powers no longer function. I look forward to studying you. - Lord Yaru

Your information’s inaccurate. I’m something more then a telepath. And I dismantled your inhibitors on the way in. - Nate Grey

this to me sounds like he accomplished that task via tk, rather than tp.

granted, I *never* read Xman, Im just saying how it comes across given the fact he does have "the standard two".

Tazer

Nate is a real rulebreaker ftw

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

this to me sounds like he accomplished that task via tk, rather than tp.

granted, I *never* read Xman, Im just saying how it comes across given the fact he does have "the standard two".

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

GLs have shown considerable resistance against TP'ers WITHOUT their shields (such as when Hal fought Guy, Star Sapphire *and* Hector Hammond w/o tp-shields) being up, and to date when ever they HAVE been up all tp-atks (Fernus being a notable exception) have been nullified.

unless U can be more specific of the instance U saw them struggling w/them up, GL tp-shields grant immunity.

Tazer

GLC v4 #7

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Psi inhibitors target psionic powers.

wasnt doubting *that*, but was saying how Nate took out the inhibitors.......

Originally posted by id369
GLC v4 #7

U mean this book:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/574/150571-18248-111461-1-green-lantern-corps_super.jpg

or this: http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1867/168048-18216-113139-1-green-lantern_super.jpg

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

wasnt doubting *that*, but was saying how Nate took out the inhibitors.......

U mean this book:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/574/150571-18248-111461-1-green-lantern-corps_super.jpg

or this: http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1867/168048-18216-113139-1-green-lantern_super.jpg

Tazer

Ok I see what you mean.

Yeah that book.

Yo.

ok, I read BOTH books since U never actually stated which 1 ya meant...........and theres nothing in either which deals w/tp-shields.

try again??

Tazer

Guy is and Co, are fully aware that they are going up against alien telepaths. Attempting to ambush the Alien. The Alien mind rapes him, and despite Guy’s best effort. He fails to defend himself.

Then when they meet, Senior corp member Durlan. The Telepath comments that the wall around his mind are thin. What saves Durlan is the fact, that he has evolved to be naturally resistant to telepathic assault.

In the end, Guy gets his memories wiped out again.

So much for telepathic shields, and natural resistance.

Originally posted by id369
Guy is and Co, are fully aware that they are going up against alien telepaths. Attempting to ambush the Alien. The Alien mind rapes him, and despite Guy’s best effort. He fails to defend himself.

Then when they meet, Senior corp member Durlan. The Telepath comments that the wall around his mind are thin. What saves Durlan is the fact, that he has evolved to be naturally resistant to telepathic assault.

In the end, Guy gets his memories wiped out again.

So much for telepathic shields, and natural resistance.

that contradicts and is contradicted by hal's showing in one of the gl books around the same time with hector hammond.

Originally posted by Raoul
that contradicts and is contradicted by hal's showing in one of the gl books around the same time with hector hammond.

True but, you cant deny that Hammon was weaken at the moment.

Recently Tangent did a number on Guy and John. Despite being aware of Tangen Supermans ability.

It goes to what I stated earlier, that the ring can only apply resistance not immunity.

The real question, is how does Nate's psi stack up to the ring's defenses. Because I place Nate's power above Hector or the Dominator, nearing Tangent Superman psi. He did sweep through Sinister own Mind (a telapth himself), and those psi disruptor when he was like 10 or something.

Shaman X-Man, under his own power can merge minds across realities.

Originally posted by id369
True but, you cant deny that Hammon was weaken at the moment.

Recently Tangent did a number on Guy and John. Despite being aware of Tangen Supermans ability.

It goes to what I stated earlier, that the ring can only apply resistance not immunity.

The real question, is how does Nate's psi stack up to the ring's defenses. Because I place Nate's power above Hector or the Dominator, nearing Tangent Superman psi. He did sweep through Sinister own Mind (a telapth himself), and those psi disruptor when he was like 10 or something.

Shaman X-Man, under his own power can merge minds across realities.

true @ hammond part.

in hal's origin, sinestro dissed him for not being able to deal with hammond. to me, that implied that an experienced GL should have no problem dealing with a telepath.

i think if the shield is up, most gl's should be protected by most telepaths, if you tell the ring to block psionic signals.

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
Guy is and Co, are fully aware that they are going up against alien telepaths. Attempting to ambush the Alien. The Alien mind rapes him, and despite Guy’s best effort. He fails to defend himself.

Then when they meet, Senior corp member Durlan. The Telepath comments that the wall around his mind are thin. What saves Durlan is the fact, that he has evolved to be naturally resistant to telepathic assault.

In the end, Guy gets his memories wiped out again.

So much for telepathic shields, and natural resistance.

as I thought, there was nothing in that story which says Guy had his tp-shield BROKEN since they were never said to have BEEN ON in the 1st place; its not even mentioned in the parts U provided (and thats not GLC v4 #7 btw, but in fact GLC v2 #8), nor anywhere in the story as I recall.

if anything we saw Guy get mind-assaulted and still manage to strike back at the being responsible (briefly, granted), which says more about *his* mental fortitude than any weakness in GL-shields........which arent shown to even be up (and hey, if U can find a quote anywhere in that story saying they were, U'll win the point no argument.)

when a GLs tp-shield is up, it'll be *stated* to have been so; its not something U just assume is on simply becuz ya see an aura around the person. this isnt Quasar w/the QBs we're talking about here......

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
True but, you cant deny that Hammon was weaken at the moment.

which has nothing to do w/it becuz it was *specifically stated* that Hal both LOWERED & RAISED his tp-shield in GL v4 #4, and I dont remember HH being weak in the moment, inasmuch as lonely & starved for outside stimuli (correct me if Im wrong on that anybody).

Originally posted by id369
Recently Tangent did a number on Guy and John. Despite being aware of Tangen Supermans ability.

It goes to what I stated earlier, that the ring can only apply resistance not immunity.

which I also dont remem them fighting him w/their tp-shields activated.

and to go along w/my point, theres a Guy/Ultra-Humanite fight in Blue Beetle Vol 2 #14 where after getting beaten on a bit by the U-H Guy *states* that he's kicked his shield on, and as I recall it becomes pretty much a wipe since he no longer needs to put any effort into dealing with him as a mental-threat.

Tazer

Originally posted by Raoul
true @ hammond part.

in hal's origin, sinestro dissed him for not being able to deal with hammond. to me, that implied that an experienced GL should have no problem dealing with a telepath.

i think if the shield is up, most gl's should be protected by most telepaths, if you tell the ring to block psionic signals.

I suppose I am being unfair, because the use of the ring differs from person to person. So John or Guys weaker showings should not Hall’s.

But I have yet to see, how Hal psi shield’s stack up to a powerful psi. Hammond’s leaves some questions.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

which has nothing to do w/it becuz it was *specifically stated* that Hal both LOWERED & RAISED his tp-shield in GL v4 #4, and I dont remember HH being weak in the moment, inasmuch as lonely & starved for outside stimuli (correct me if Im wrong on that anybody).

Originally posted by Tazer
which I also dont remem them fighting him w/their tp-shields activated.

and to go along w/my point, theres a Guy/Ultra-Humanite fight in Blue Beetle Vol 2 #14 where after getting beaten on a bit by the U-H Guy *states* that he's kicked his shield on, and as I recall it becomes pretty much a wipe since he no longer needs to put any effort into dealing with him as a mental-threat. [/COLOR]

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

as I thought, there was nothing in that story which says Guy had his tp-shield BROKEN since they were never said to have BEEN ON in the 1st place; its not even mentioned in the parts U provided (and thats not GLC v4 #7 btw, but in fact GLC v2 #8), nor anywhere in the story as I recall.

if anything we saw Guy get mind-assaulted and still manage to strike back at the being responsible (briefly, granted), which says more about *his* mental fortitude than any weakness in GL-shields........which arent shown to even be up (and hey, if U can find a quote anywhere in that story saying they were, U'll win the point no argument.)

when a GLs tp-shield is up, it'll be *stated* to have been so; its not something U just assume is on simply becuz ya see an aura around the person. this isnt Quasar w/the QBs we're talking about here......

Tazer

I think its ridiculous to come into battle with out mind shields against a telepath. But then again its Guy, we are talking about. Yet you have a direct statement of how weak the mind shields are.

“The Walls around your mind are thin“.

This only goes to fortify, what I stated earlier. That the mind shields grant resistance not immunity.

Yo.

Originally posted by id369
But I have yet to see, how Hal psi shield’s stack up to a powerful psi. Hammond’s leaves some questions.

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Originally posted by id369
He is forced to sit in a reinforced cell, drooling on himself. He looks pretty weak to me.

thats not his 1st time fighting Hammond, and him looking that way is largely due to artistic license; seeing as he has NO motor control, its not like he'll be able to keep himself from leaving spit-rivers going down his clothing (basically, he's a physical invalid).........

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Originally posted by id369
I think its ridiculous to come into battle with out mind shields against a telepath. But then again its Guy, we are talking about. Yet you have a direct statement of how weak the mind shields are.

“The Walls around your mind are thin“.

This only goes to fortify, what I stated earlier. That the mind shields grant resistance not immunity.

well, I do agree w/ya about the "fighting w/o mental-shields up" -thing (even tho that IS something which has been done, and often, throughout Oan-GL history), but that line is *still* not direct proof that they were up. and even if it did, U would have the *SOLE* example of it being so, as opposed to the rest of their history.

so sorry, but no dice.

Tazer

the walls around your mind bit is pretty ambiguous as far as statements go.

Originally posted by Raoul
true @ hammond part.

in hal's origin, sinestro dissed him for not being able to deal with hammond. to me, that implied that an experienced GL should have no problem dealing with a telepath.

i think if the shield is up, most gl's should be protected by most telepaths, if you tell the ring to block psionic signals.

It also indicates that they are not granted immunity, but resistance 🙂

I am telling you, its resistance not immunity.

Maybe we will get a better example of how mental shields stack up to a powerful psi, when Martian Manhunter guns to take down the GL members.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

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thats not his 1st time fighting Hammond, and him looking that way is largely due to artistic license; seeing as he has NO motor control, its not like he'll be able to keep himself from leaving spit-rivers going down his clothing (basically, he's a physical invalid).........

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Ok how about this, show me a direct statement that states he was in 100% healthy.

Originally posted by Tazer

well, I do agree w/ya about the "fighting w/o mental-shields up" -thing (even tho that IS something which has been done, and often, throughout Oan-GL history), but that line is *still* not direct proof that they were up. and even if it did, U would have the *SOLE* example of it being so, as opposed to the rest of their history.

so sorry, but no dice.

Tazer

The walls around your mind are thin. - A direct statement to how weak their mental shields are to the Dominator.

You actually see the GL being effected by a TP assault, before he lets him know, that he has his own natural resistance to Telepathy.

This is tough to decide on, I'm going to say draw for now.