Originally posted by jalek moye
Wait Bats isn't strong enough to really do damage to Wolverine'without adamantium he has taken hits and been fine from way stronger people then spiderman and his bones didnt even need to heal. Whats gonna make bats do better
So a guy who can hurt herald levels and metas in h2h can't hurt Wolverine?
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Originally posted by grimify
So a guy who can hurt herald levels and metas in h2h can't hurt Wolverine?😂
Batman hurting anyone with superhuman durability using only h2h combat is retarded. The reason Wolverine tends to get away with it is the cutting power of his claws. If Wolverine has an on-panel showing of beating or at least hurting a high-meta or herald, it's criticized and labeled as PIS... yet the second Batman does it using only punches and kicks, nobody says anything because it's Batman...
Doesn't seem right to me. We all have our favorite characters, but FFS, accept their limitations.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Batman hurting anyone with superhuman durability using only h2h combat is retarded. The reason Wolverine tends to get away with it is the cutting power of his claws. If Wolverine has an on-panel showing of beating or at least hurting a high-meta or herald, it's criticized and labeled as PIS... yet the second Batman does it using only punches and kicks, nobody says anything because it's Batman...Doesn't seem right to me. We all have our favorite characters, but FFS, accept their limitations.
You can call it what you want, but arguing against what happens repeatedly on panel is silly.
Just because you don't think he should be able to doesn't change the fact that he can.
Originally posted by grimify
You can call it what you want, but arguing against what happens repeatedly on panel is silly.Just because you don't think he should be able to doesn't change the fact that he can.
So what are you saying? That anybody near Batman's strength level is capable of smacking around and hurting guys like The Spectre and Solomon Grundy? Or are you saying that it can be overlooked simply because it's Batman and DC's okay with milking his popularity for all it's worth by giving him more of these ridiculous feats?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
So what are you saying? That anybody near Batman's strength level is capable of smacking around and hurting guys like The Spectre and Solomon Grundy? Or are you saying that it can be overlooked simply because it's Batman and DC's okay with milking his popularity for all it's worth by giving him more of these ridiculous feats?
And Wolverine's organs would be turned into liquid if he got hit even once by a character like Hulk. Do you honestly think Wolverine doesn't get the star treatment for being a flagship character?
Both of them are PIS induced characters, both operate beyond what would you would consider "normal". That's the way it is. The fact that you don't like it doesn't change it.
Originally posted by grimify
And Wolverine's organs would be turned into liquid if he got hit even once by a character like Hulk. Do you honestly think Wolverine doesn't get the star treatment for being a flagship character?Both of them are PIS induced characters, both operate beyond what would you would consider "normal". That's the way it is. The fact that you don't like it doesn't change it.
Yeah, but that was addressed (albeit lazily) by writers, stating that his organs get damaged and at times do liquefy when hit by multi-ton impacts, but that his healing factor heals the damage pretty much instantly.
It's not the greatest explanation, but I can accept it because Wolverine actually has powers, and sure enough, one of them is the power to heal. Batman, on the other hand, has no powers. He doesn't have the strength necessary to overcome the durability some of his most mismatched opponents have, for the most part, consistently shown.
How is it that one can argue that Batman can slap around these insanely-powerful characters, and yet in another thread, said characters can solo entire teams like the JLA, the JSA, the Avengers, etc?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Yeah, but that was addressed (albeit lazily) by writers, stating that his organs get damaged and at times do liquefy when hit by multi-ton impacts, but that his healing factor heals the damage pretty much instantly.It's not the greatest explanation, but I can accept it because Wolverine actually has powers, and sure enough, one of them is the power to heal. Batman, on the other hand, has no powers. He doesn't have the strength necessary to overcome the durability some of his most mismatched opponents have, for the most part, consistently shown.
How is it that one can argue that Batman can slap around these insanely-powerful characters, and yet in another thread, said characters can solo entire teams like the JLA, the JSA, the Avengers, etc?
You're right, it's not a good explanation at all. Not to mention a shot to the head would knock him out, no questions asked. His brain slamming into his adamantium skull at such a high impact would cause loss of consciousness, regardless of healing.
Not to mention healing at that rate would mean he can't lose to anyone street level, but he has, repeatedly.
How is it? It's because comics are inconsistent, and always have been. Or are you saying Batman is the only character who has high and low showings?
Originally posted by grimify
You're right, it's not a good explanation at all. Not to mention a shot to the head would knock him out, no questions asked. His brain slamming into his adamantium skull at such a high impact would cause loss of consciousness, regardless of healing.Not to mention healing at that rate would mean he can't lose to anyone street level, but he has, repeatedly.
How is it? It's because comics are inconsistent, and always have been. Or are you saying Batman is the only character who has high and low showings?
What I will argue, however, is damage output. Just about every character has their high and low showings, but those don't really count because the characters in question are not at those levels consistently enough. When they are at that level, either they got an upgrade of some kind, or the writers are churning out subpar material unfaithful to the character and his abilities/limitations. Batman hurting Grundy, when the latter is normally shrugging off haymakers from Superman or Green Lantern, is just bullshit.
That's all I really gotta say about Batman vs. Metas/Herald-level opponents.
Back on topic, Wolverine gets a majority in h2h, unless you strip him of the rest of his natural advantages (enhanced strength/speed, high bone density, etc.)