Originally posted by Enyalus
Nah, I like him being underrated. If he was popular, I probably wouldn't like him.It's just that, like you admitted before, strengthwise feat for feat it could be argued either way and is nowhere near clear cut. So when I see someone going, "OMG r u serious!?!" It's like...yes, he is. Get over it. 😛
Though, like Phil said before, "people don't understand that strength isn't the reason that Hulk loses to Superman."
aye.
Originally posted by Raoul
no matter how fast hulk gets, he's not going to be as fast as superman.and imo, superman can lost long enough against any hulk, no matter how strong or durable.
I disagree with this statement and there is so much proof I could use against this statement of supes lasting against a angry hulk that its ridiculous.
Answer this, do you think a angry hulk could become physically equal to despero?
Do you think that a angry hulk could land a blow as powerful as the blow that kalibak hit supes with and koed him?
Originally posted by carver9
I disagree with this statement and there is so much proof I could use against this statement of supes lasting against a angry hulk that its ridiculous.Answer this, do you think a angry hulk could become physically equal to despero?
Do you think that a angry hulk could land a blow as powerful as the blow that kalibak hit supes with and koed him?
v&v despero? the one that took down the heavy hitters of the JLA AND the JSA? sure, hulk could be that strong, but it would take a while.
when did kalibak ko superman? or are we talking about his lucky shot in DOTNG?
Originally posted by Raoul
nice how you forget that a "calm" superman was pulling at least half the earth's weight with little difficulty.
Dont take this the wrong way but I hate when people use feats like that. That feat alone included flight, strength, and durability; it wasnt just a strength feat.
Originally posted by Raoul
v&v despero? the one that took down the heavy hitters of the JLA AND the JSA? sure, hulk could be that strong, but it would take a while.when did kalibak ko superman? or are we talking about his lucky shot in DOTNG?
Im referring to the hit that he took from the kalibak that had the aid of mantis, so yeah, dotng.
Like I said, there is so much proof that supes cant hang with an angry hulk that is trying to kill him.
In a fight, yes I give supes the majority due to bfring, without it, its almost impossible to ko a hulk that is putting his effort at destroying you.
Lets not forget that savage hulk has taken hammer shots from thor and shrugged them off and I'm pretty sure that supes cant generate enough force to be equal to anything that mjlonir can conjur physically.
Superman best bet would be to bfr him and hulk would hit supes, I dont know where you're coming up with him being untouchable.
Originally posted by Enyalus
C'mon Carver, you admitted Team One wins 8/10 times. That's a lot. What's there to argue about?
Roaul commented on my bfring post so thats what started what we're talking about.
Basically our argument wont go anywhere and its pretty pointless because both of our mind is made up but I kind of enjoy arguing with raoul and I hope that one day we come to realize the truth about both of the characters. 😛
Originally posted by carver9
Dont take this the wrong way but I hate when people use feats like that. That feat alone included flight, strength, and durability; it wasnt just a strength feat.
how did it use durability? he was pulling, that's strength.
and unless you can prove his flight somehow helps him to move things, then don't bring it up.
also, he never struggled to life the pyramid. there is no proof that he did. making a grunt when you lift something doesn't mean you're struggling. it means you're physically exerting yourself.
Originally posted by carver9
Im referring to the hit that he took from the kalibak that had the aid of mantis, so yeah, dotng.Like I said, there is so much proof that supes cant hang with an angry hulk that is trying to kill him.
In a fight, yes I give supes the majority due to bfring, without it, its almost impossible to ko a hulk that is putting his effort at destroying you.
Lets not forget that savage hulk has taken hammer shots from thor and shrugged them off and I'm pretty sure that supes cant generate enough force to be equal to anything that mjlonir can conjur physically.
Superman best bet would be to bfr him and hulk would hit supes, I dont know where you're coming up with him being untouchable.
he wasn't knocked out by kalibak. he was concentrating on protecting mister miracle, and as you said, mantis was there too.
prove it, then. you say there's all this proof, so lets see it.
lulz. superman can't punch as hard as thor can while swinging mjolnir. lowballing, much?
i never said untouchable, i said too fast, which is backed up by on panel feats i've showed you before.
Originally posted by grimify
Is that why Hulk has been KO'd on many occasions?
Is that why I said a hulk that is trying? 😕
Everyone that has been brought up on kmc has been koed (referring to people under skyfather), its comics, thats why we use the characters overrall showings and hulk overrall showing is being a character that is hard to take down physically.
Originally posted by carver9
Is that why I said a hulk that is trying? 😕Everyone that has been brought up on kmc has been koed (referring to people under skyfather), its comics, thats why we use the characters overrall showings and hulk overrall showing is being a character that is hard to take down physically.
So he's not trying in all the fights he's been knocked out in?
That's your argument? Even though he's...fighting the other guy, he's not trying?
😕
Originally posted by Raoul
how did it use durability? he was pulling, that's strength.and unless you can prove his flight somehow helps him to move things, then don't bring it up.
also, he never struggled to life the pyramid. there is no proof that he did. making a grunt when you lift something doesn't mean you're struggling. it means you're physically exerting yourself.
he wasn't knocked out by kalibak. he was concentrating on protecting mister miracle, and as you said, mantis was there too.
prove it, then. you say there's all this proof, so lets see it.
lulz. superman can't punch as hard as thor can while swinging mjolnir. lowballing, much?
i never said untouchable, i said too fast, which is backed up by on panel feats i've showed you before.
Raoul, I shouldnt have to explain that flight had a big part to do with it, its almost as obvious as it can get but I dont want to stay on that topic so I'll let you have that.
His facial expression was the reason why I said he was straining. That is a sign of strain when you see a look like that and we both know that it wasnt something EASY for him to do.
He was koed by kalibak and the comic showed him blacking out and showed him being saved by orion. Raoul you're one of the best supes comic interpreters I know, you should have known he was koed by kalibak AND that orion saved him.
When you show me supes physically crushing a planet instead of providing hyperbole, THEN I would believe supes can hit as hard as mjlonir.
How about this rauol can we please stop talking about this since we both know that it wont go anywhere. I gave supes and bats the majority because all in all, yes they would get the majority, I just gave my opinion on if bfring was off, I didnt know that it would have went this far.
Originally posted by grimify
So he's not trying in all the fights he's been knocked out in?
That's your argument? Even though he's...fighting the other guy, he's not trying?😕
A angry hulk is almost impossible to be knocked out. Like I said Hulk has fought Thor, Juggernaut, gladiator, and some of the most powerful beings in mu and almost all of them failed to ko hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Raoul, I shouldnt have to explain that flight had a big part to do with it, its almost as obvious as it can get but I dont want to stay on that topic so I'll let you have that.His facial expression was the reason why I said he was straining. That is a sign of strain when you see a look like that and we both know that it wasnt something EASY for him to do.
He was koed by kalibak and the comic showed him blacking out and showed him being saved by orion. Raoul you're one of the best supes comic interpreters I know, you should have known he was koed by kalibak AND that orion saved him.
When you show me supes physically crushing a planet instead of providing hyperbole, THEN I would believe supes can hit as hard as mjlonir.
How about this rauol can we please stop talking about this since we both know that it wont go anywhere. I gave supes and bats the majority because all in all, yes they would get the majority, I just gave my opinion on if bfring was off, I didnt know that it would have went this far.
facepalm
his face showed that he was lifting it. that he was exerting himself physically. trying to prove that he somehow had trouble with it when he's lifted and moved much heavier objects is plain silly.
he wasn't ko'd by kalibak. he was stunned. stunned by a cheap shot because he wasn't even trying to fight them, he was trying to protect mister miracle.
how come hulk gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to "trying" but superman doesn't? double standard, no?
also, he could have got up, but saw orion coming, and realised he didn't have to. so he sat on his fat ass and let orion finish them off. there was nothing to indicate he couldn't get up if he wanted to.
he's punched hard enough to shatter planets. he's moved the earth itself. if that's not enough, then i'm sorry. superman isn't the kind of ******* who just goes around exploding planets.
we can stop if you like.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Raoul still swears up and down that Konvikt never one-shot Superman, even though Supes was laying on the ground with his eyes closed. 'Best Superman interpreter' my arse. 😛
ermm
you've never closed your eyes while awake before, no?
ever played sports where you get knocked down, and for a few moments close your eyes to take a breath and get your bearings? i have, and i'm no superman.