Re: Can Marvel take down Optimus Prime?
Originally posted by Darth MartinReed Richards assembles a team of super-powered beings from his universe to bring down the leader of the Autobots. Can he do it?
[B]Team Marvel
Mr. Fantastic
Iron Man
Storm
Thing
Spider-Man
Wolverine
Green Goblin
Doc OckSetting: Gotham City
Scenario I: City is populated
Scenario II: City is evacuated. [/B]
Prime has a good shot against this group, I would say. But that's if Reed is just using his own powers, and not pulling out crazy weapon inventions; then the game changes.
Do people agree with this, or would anyone like to add/alter something?
EminenceI think it could go either way, but I'm leaning a little towards Prime.
Mr. Fantastic: Physically useless, probably dies horribly, might have tactical utility.Iron Man: Absolutely needs to stay high in the air. At close range he'll get cleaved in two, if he isn't constantly moving he's going to get blown apart by one of Prime's guns. His wrist-rocket and repulsors are obviously going to be his most useful contribution to the team, but overall he's probably the toughest person they have.
Storm: Definitely useful. Lightning strikes are almost certainly going to hit Prime hard. However, she is the least durable of the Marvels; even the shockwave and debris from a moderately close blast will either incapacitate or kill her, so like Iron Man she needs to stay very high in the air or take cover at a distance. Even then, her utility is limited by the fact that Prime can throw himself into one of the buildings for protection against the lightning, at least in the first scenario, and the loss of precision that would come with increases in distance would make Storm almost as much a danger to her teammates as she would be to Prime.
Thing: Not all that useful here. Prime appears to be significantly stronger, is definitely significantly larger, and is equipped with guns that could potentially kill one-shot Grimm and energon blades that almost definitely could.
Spiderman: Webbing probably fails against an astoundingly agile giant transforming robot equipped with the equivalent of car-sized lightsabers and hand cannons. I can see Spiderman being strong enough to do aesthetic damage to Prime and maybe even rip out his optics, but I highly doubt he can latch on to Prime's head long enough to do that. As with all the above, a shot or slash from the weapons kills him, and blunt force trauma - acknowledging the ridiculous amounts he's survived before - won't exactly be comfortable.
Wolverine: Not terribly useful. His claws probably won't do much more than cosmetic damage considering they're only a foot long, and he isn't nearly fast enough to dodge those man-sized bullets. He probably gets blown up trying to close distance, and spends a while sticking his ass back together.
Goblin: His weapons don't appear to be nearly strong enough to do much to Prime, and he won't be doing much in melee combat; he isn't as agile as Spiderman and he can't stick to things, so once his weapons run out he's basically fodder, like Wolverine.
Octavius: Too slow, too weak. He's one of the first to die.
Prime's energy blade hasn't shown to be anywhere near as powerful as a lightsabre in terms of cutting ability/heat generation. So it's highly possible it won't cut The Thing in two, as he took Doom's blast and kept coming back for more.
I don't think Spider-Man's webbing "fails" here, he could keep locking up Prime with it faster than Prime could cut or rip out. Would serve to slow Prime down and keep him off the flyers while they attack. More of a defensive weapon than offensive, though covering Primes eyes with it would also be useful in the short term.