Yoda and Anakin vs. Mace and Obi wan

Started by Eminence6 pages

Lucien, this one's yours.

Originally posted by Incanus
Obi-Wan style is Soresu, right? Well, that is a defensive form, and he has mastered a few more, Anakin would just fight him like on Mustafar. Mace would stand no chance against the 900 year old Grand Master of the Jedi ORder due to the fact that Yoda is the only one that can cathc force lightning on his hands, AND he would jump over him and stab Mace in the back, then Obi-Wan is screwed.
Why will Anakin and Obi-Wan fight here like they did on Mustafar? This isn't Vader, this is Anakin---Light side Anakin. There is no emotional conflict here, no Dark side in him, no hatred for Kenobi. Anakin was more powerful on Mustafar than he ever had been, albeit in a distorted, crazed way. He's down a notch in brute force and raw strength, giving Obi-Wan more time and Anakin a clearer head to defeat him.

As for Mace "not standing a chance" against Yoda; he doesn't, ultimately. If the setting is fair with no handicaps, then Mace faces defeat the majority of times. However, he won't simply be biting dust just because it's Yoda. Mace took on and outmatched in sabers, Palpatine, and he's apparently above Dooku (I think, if not then he's on par) who you should remember survived just such an encounter with Yoda.

And you should avoid blanket statements that are not supported by anything or prove no point. Yoda catching Force Lightning does not mean that Mace can not. It is also irrelevant here as Jedi Master Mace Windu does not employ use of Force Lightning, the most notorious of all Dark Side attacks.

Originally posted by Incanus
AND he would jump over him and stab Mace in the back, then Obi-Wan is screwed.
This is something we don't do. We don't claim a very specific and very general maneuver will occur when there is no basis for it, like your example here.

Yoda will not be wiping the floor with Mace. But he should win.

Well, he probably would EVENTUALLY end up stabbing him in the back, dude. And even with Anakin not being a psychopath, it would still be like (a slightly relative term along with SIMILAR.) because of their particular styles. And im not sure if Mace can do that, but i think wookieepedia said it was unique to Yoda.....

Rahm Kota can do it, so no, it's not unique to Yoda.

Oh, I havnt read Kota page so ok if he can do it he can do it. Its not unique to Yoda then.

Why would Yoda being able to handle Force lightning be a factor in a duel against Mace, anyway?

I dont know. Maybe Mace turns to the dark side? (unlikely but it is a possiblility for all jedi as you know.) i mean, why else would he fight Yoda? Holy **** that would suck to fight a dark side Mace.........

what?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
There is no emotional conflict here, no Dark side in him, no hatred for Kenobi.

Then why did you say before that they would be inclined to target eachother? They'd be reluctant to fight eachother, if anything.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Then why did you say before that they would be inclined to target eachother? They'd be reluctant to fight eachother, if anything.
Amen.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Then why did you say before that they would be inclined to target eachother? They'd be reluctant to fight eachother, if anything.
If this a vs. match then they kind of have to, otherwise we're all gonna look really silly.

I said they'd be inclined to one another due to their familiarity with each other. If these two (for some magical reason we're not at liberty to concoct) were to be fighting each other as Light siders, then due to their extensive experience with one another's fighting styles and knowledge of each's mentality, it only makes sense that they go for one another. I know I'd rather take on my friend and mentor/student whose quirks, mannerisms, powers, and fighting skills/abilities I know intimately than someone who is of greater caliber than either of us.

But hey, if everyone switches opponents: Kenobi attacks Yoda and dies horribly and quickly, and Yoda rushes over to help Anakin take down Mace. But that's the boring choice. Where's the debate in that?

can't Kenobi hold off against yoda with his soresu form and some of his knowledge in ataru... and his knowledge of the other forms? Mace could take down anakin and then mace and kenobi could take a go at yoda.

...I think Mace and Obi-Wan would take a go at whatever works - not just because obi-wan knows anakin better or mace and yoda are the strongest in the order or something like that.
admittedly though, ^ that sounds like what they would do - but they could also try something else...

hmm, i don't know... interesting. I'm following this thread to see what happens.

I frankly highly doubt that Obi-Wan, even with his Soresu, is going to be able to fend off Yoda long enough for Mace to kill Anakin. There's not even Dark Side Anakin for Vapaad to have fun with.

YEah, Yoda would kill Obi-Wan, as Yoda is Dookus superior, and Dooku is Obi-Wans superior. my source is obviously episode 2 where Dooku runs from Yoda.

That's A>B>C logic done right. Sources plus common sense=Win.

=-) i like smilies.

If mace can hold out long enough for kenobi to kill anakin then mace and kenobi can team up against yoda and over power him. The only problem is if mace can hold off yoda long enough.

Yes, i would say that is the full matter of this issue at the moment. I think Obi-Wanwould still take Anakin down however, due to his knowledge of multiple forms and his greater command of the force. Sure, Anakin is more powerful in the force, but Kenobi is more knowledgeable, right?

This is a scenario where power and skill isn't everything. It can be argued that Obi Wan can hold off Yoda longer than Anakin can hold off Mace thanks to the benefit of soresu coupled with the attack power of vapaad. Teamwork ftw!