Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Yet Mandalore is always their greatest warrior, which Revan was shown to defeat, while the Exile wasn't.
Yet, nothing. The Exile has defeated far more dangerous foes than a non-force sensitive warrior. He'd be dangerous only because force sensitives are not infallible, but that's as far as he goes as a threat to a powerful Jedi. Not impressive, especially without details.
1. He's right.
2. How does that automatically put them on a level ground? Not to mention, in the other thread your claiming the Exile's feats surpass Revan's, so you're contradicting yourself.
3. No, I claim that when you say they're both powerful, it contradicts your previous assertions. Try to follow along.
4. You get confused because you can't follow along, and as a result you have to force to lie to yourself and claim that you're actually doing a tip top job, which then forces ME to insult your ignorance.
1. Prove it.
2. Revan = powerful. Exile = powerful. Do you see, they're completely the same thing. And saying that she has better feats doesn't contradict saying that they are both powerful at all.
3. But it doesn't, they can both be powerful, but the Exile can have better feats. The two aren't mutually exclusive and I was merely assuring Incanus that I'm not downplaying Revan, I'm merely stating that he has little feats and that the Exile is comparable.
4. Uh huh.
Uhh, what exactly did the Exile kill that Revan would not be able to? Storm Beasts? He went to the Trayus Academy he could either subject them to his will or kill them. Sith? Dude, he pwned Mandalore. he pwned Malak for that matter.
The Exile beat Traya, who is above all you mentioned.
To Incanus:
Look kid, I'm not involved in this comparison discussion. I'm just pointing out that defeating Mandalore isn't some great feat. It would be a great feat for a non-force sensitive, not for a relatively powerful Jedi.
The force is too much of an advantage to Revan for that feat to be impressive.
Originally posted by Nephthys
1. Prove it.
2. Revan = powerful. Exile = powerful. Do you see, they're completely the same thing. And saying that she has better feats doesn't contradict saying that they are both powerful at all.
3. But it doesn't, they can both be powerful, but the Exile can have better feats. The two aren't mutually exclusive and I was merely assuring Incanus that I'm not downplaying Revan, I'm merely stating that he has little feats and that the Exile is comparable.
The Exile beat Traya, who is above all you mentioned.[/quote]
Originally posted by Incanus
Ok, well if anyone can find that fight in a canon source, can you plz post it? the we would know if he used the force, cuz if he didnt then it is a great feat. And only reason Revan pwnz is cuz he looks cool.
Unlesss he cut himself off from the force, he'd still be using the force. He'd still have the basic limited precognition Jedi have. He'd also have enhanced speed, even if he chose not to use any overt force attack.
Originally posted by Allankles
Yet, nothing. The Exile has defeated far more dangerous foes than a non-force sensitive warrior. He'd be dangerous only because force sensitives are not infallible, but that's as far as he goes as a threat to a powerful Jedi. Not impressive, especially without details.
Far more dangerous foes? Compared to Revan? Revan fought Mandalore, and a star forge Malak. The exile managed to defeat Atris without any circumstances. What more dangerous foes exactly?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Far more dangerous foes? Compared to Revan? Revan fought Mandalore, and a star forge Malak. The exile managed to defeat Atris without any circumstances. What more dangerous foes exactly?
How does your circumstances argument factor in to the fact she faced an immortal, a Sith Galactus and Traya? Circumstances real or otherwise don't change the fact that Mandalore doesn't hold a candle to any of these Sith in terms of danger factor.
And Malak was Malak. He seemed to be always behind Revan, hence the reason why the Sith triumvate were more convincing villains.
Originally posted by Allankles
How does your circumstances argument factor in to the fact she faced an immortal, a Sith Galactus and Traya? Circumstances real or otherwise don't change the fact that Mandalore doesn't hold a candle to any of these Sith in terms of danger factor.And Malak was Malak. He seemed to be always behind Revan, hence the reason why the Sith triumvate were more convincing villains.
Malak was also the most powerful force user in the galaxy other than Revan, with enhanced abilities on the star forge, and could be considered superior to the Exile.
And circumstances factor into the belief that she was exceptional, or powerful. None of those fights were won without some kind of circumstance or fluke. Comparing her to Revan is ridiculous.
And Malak was Malak. He seemed to be always behind Revan, hence the reason why the Sith triumvate were more convincing villains.
I will once you prove the exile has better feats
'Traya(s)>Malak(s). Trayas academy(s)> Star Forge(h). Storm beasts(s) > Two tarantereks(s). Atris(s) > Juhani(s). Bounty Hunters guild and Exchange(s)> Davik Kang(h). Sion(s) > Bandon(h).'
s=solo h= with help.
They're not the same thing. When you say the Exile has better and more accomplished feats, you're implying she's more powerful. Understand?
Saying they're both powerful and that the Exile has better feats are two completely unconnected things. Understand?
Except once again, you were originally stating that the Exile is NOT comparable, but has better feats and implying she's more powerful. Are you daft?
Whatever. I don't want to squabble with you anymore.
Except Revan's more powerful than Traya by Traya's own admission,
Except for this, because this, my good friend is a lie. Never happened.
, and Traya put up less than a considerable effort.
And this has never been more than baseless speculation on your part.
Seriously, why don't you just admit that you hate the Exile, becuase you obviously do.
Originally posted by Nephthys
'Traya(s)>Malak(s). Trayas academy(s)> Star Forge(h). Storm beasts(s) > Two tarantereks(s). Atris(s) > Juhani(s). Bounty Hunters guild and Exchange(s)> Davik Kang(h). Sion(s) > Bandon(h).'s=solo h= with help.
Saying they're both powerful and that the Exile has better feats are two completely unconnected things. Understand?
Whatever. I don't want to squabble with you anymore.
Except for this, because this, my good friend is a lie. Never happened.
And this has never been more than baseless speculation on your part.
Seriously, why don't you just admit that you hate the Exile, becuase you obviously do.
Ok I'm going to break it down for you so that even a simple minded fool can understand. You haven't made anything resembling an argument.
You claim that the exile was powerful and exceptional. You tried to support that claim by mostly irrelevant feats. You also asserted that the exile has more feats and accomplishments than Revan. Based on your previous argument and premises dealing with the exile being powerful and exceptional, you're asserting that the Exile is more powerful than Revan because of the feats. Then you go on to state that Revan is powerful, and so is the exile. Do you see the difference, or are you still confused?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Malak was also the most powerful force user in the galaxy other than Revan, with enhanced abilities on the star forge, and could be considered superior to the Exile.
Doesn't mean much when his competition were people like Bandon and Uthar Wyn. He wasn't more powerful than the Exile, feats say otherwise.
And circumstances factor into the belief that she was exceptional, or powerful. None of those fights were won without some kind of circumstance or fluke. Comparing her to Revan is ridiculous.
We're talking about danger factor, and Mandalore doesn't compare.
Convincing for whom? I thought Malak was more convincing, and Malak was responsible for a hell of a lot more Jedi deaths than the Triumvate. As Traya said, by the end of the Jedi Civil War, barely 100 Jedi remained.
Malak was a figure head, his personal actions weren't nearly as impressive as those of the Sith triumvate.
Add to the fact that he always played second fiddle to the protagonist, and it's clear that he wasn't nearly as imposing and authoritative a villain as the Sith triumvate.
Originally posted by Allankles
Doesn't mean much when his competition were people like Bandon and Uthar Wyn. He wasn't more powerful than the Exile, feats say otherwise.
We're talking about danger factor, and Mandalore doesn't compare.
Malak was a figure head, his personal actions weren't nearly as impressive as those of the Sith triumvate.
Add to the fact that he always played second fiddle to the protagonist, and it's clear that he wasn't nearly as imposing and authoritative a villain as the Sith triumvate.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Relevant feats say otherwise. The Exile has nothing on Malak other than being a wound in the force.
Malak has no relevant feats. He's the least impressive of the 4 big bad Sith in the Kotor games.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The danger factor is 100% irrelevant when comparing the power of characters.
And Mandalore doesn't compare either way.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
His personal actions included killing hundreds or thousands of Jedi, whereas the Triumvate used sith marauders to kill less than 100. Try again.
Those were not his personal actions, they were the actions of thousands of soldiers and hundreds of dark Jedi. His personal actions were a lot less impressive, culminating in the torture of the relatively naive Bastila Shan.
Not really impressive anyway you slice it.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Which just means that his superior(Revan), was that damn good.
Which is just subjective, which just means his actions and authority don't stand well on their own, and that he needs some weak apologetic qualifier to cover up his deficiencies as an imposing villain.
Originally posted by Allankles
Malak has no relevant feats. He's the least impressive of the 4 big bad Sith in the Kotor games.
And Mandalore doesn't compare either way.
Those were not his personal actions, they were the actions of thousands of soldiers and hundreds of dark Jedi. His personal actions were a lot less impressive, culminating in the torture of the relatively naive Bastila Shan.Not really impressive anyway you slice it.
Which is just subjective, which just means his actions and authority don't stand well on their own, and that he needs some weak apologetic qualifier to cover up his deficiencies as an imposing villain.
What feats does he need? He has force powers that eclipse both the Exile and Sion. What feats does he need? Feats aren't very relevant to personal combat.
This is easily one of the stupidest things you've ever said. And that says alot. 'Feats aren't very relevant to personal combat'? Gtfo of here with that shit. Malak has no 'force powers that eclipse both the Exile and Sion', you've just pulled that out of your ass. The only attacks hes used are stun, whirlwind, saber throw, basic lightning and basic drain, all basic stuff in no way impressive.
Except YOU brought up the notion that she's better than the Mandalorians. Once I mentioned that she's never beaten Mandalore and Revan did, you quickly dismissed this route.
"I thought that Revan was a singular Jedi, but now there's you [Exile]. With all our martial training, battles and ethics, even our greatest warriors are no match for you [Exile]"
She is better than the mandalorians, unless you think Mandalore could beat the triumvirate.
And the personal actions of the Triumvate included killing a few jedi. Not very impressive either.
Sion- killed a jedi master, more than Malak ever did.
Traya- Pushed the Council masters around like ragdolls, drained them of the force, killed a dozen sith by walking past them and levitated and fought with 3 sabers at once, all better feats than Malak has.
Nihilus- Nuff said.
You can argue the same thing for the Exile. Except Revan>Exile no matter how you choose to define it.
Define what?
Originally posted by Allanklesactually, the force user has to conciously enhance themselves, they dont do it insticitncivly(?) and then he wouldnt have to, as Mandalore may possibly have learned echani battle pre cog, no one knows. He could have learned it from a traitorous echani. Doubtful, so i dont think he did, but it is an undeniable theory. Unless someone denies it. Then it is deniable.
Unlesss he cut himself off from the force, he'd still be using the force. He'd still have the basic limited precognition Jedi have. He'd also have enhanced speed, even if he chose not to use any overt force attack.