Is exile really more powerful than Nihilus

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
What feats does he need? He has force powers that eclipse both the Exile and Sion. What feats does he need? Feats aren't very relevant to personal combat.

Again he has no feats to suggest he's as powerful as the Exile. Considering the Exile did far more combat wise than he did. Exile> Malak easily. The Exile has relevant feats, Malak doesn't.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Except YOU brought up the notion that she's better than the Mandalorians. Once I mentioned that she's never beaten Mandalore and Revan did, you quickly dismissed this route.

I never dismissed anything, Mandalore is irrelevant was my point.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
And the personal actions of the Triumvate included killing a few jedi. Not very impressive either.

Killing a world with the force in the process. Killing three Jedi master's at once. And killing a council member. More than Malak can claim.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You can argue the same thing for the Exile. Except Revan>Exile no matter how you choose to define it.

Again subjective. I don't care if it's Exile>Revan or vice versa. The point is she's defeated more impressive people overall.

Originally posted by Allankles
Again he has no feats to suggest he's as powerful as the Exile. Considering the Exile did far more combat wise than he did. Exile> Malak easily. The Exile has relevant feats, Malak doesn't.

Again subjective. I don't care if it's Exile>Revan or vice versa. The point is she's defeated more impressive people overall.

You are forgetting Sion on Malachor, and Traya. Revan still wins though.

No.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
She has no feats that suggests she's more powerful than Malak. She DOESNT have relevant feats. Malak has at least shown offense combat techniques/dark side techniques. There is NOTHING suggesting the Exile is on the level of Malak.

Malak has shown attacks but he hasn't shown power. The Exile has shown power by virtue of defeating relatively powerful foes in combat.

Power - the ability to do work, the Exile gets things done, Malak doesn't. Malak has nothing as far as demonstrated or suggested power.

Exile>Malak. She's actually defeated powerful dark Jedi and Sith. Malak killed a couple of generic Jedi and tortured Bastilla, not comparable to the Exile.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Great! None of that matters considering the Exile defeated them all through circumstances.

Not according to canon. She defeated them all, "circumstances" isn't a valid argument however you slice it.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
THe only person she's defeated on her own was Atris. So no.

She defeated Traya and Sion by herself too, as well as an untold number of Sith warriors. Your circumstances argument doesn't change the fact that she did defeat these people on her own, and was primarily responsible for Nihilus death.

Originally posted by Allankles
Malak has shown attacks but he hasn't shown power. The Exile has shown power by virtue of defeating relatively powerful foes in combat.

She defeated Traya and Sion by herself too, as well as an untold number of Sith warriors. Your circumstances argument doesn't change the fact that she did defeat these people on her own, and was primarily responsible for Nihilus death.

Prove she was primarily responsible for Nihilus' death. I'll save you the trouble. Nobody knows. It's confirmed in the JvS.

I've addressed her fights with Sion and Traya. You can spin it anyway you'd like but victory with fluke/circumstance doesn't help your case.

No, she really hasn't. WHO has she defeated without circumstance? Atris? Spare me.

Still better than anything Malaks done. Defeated a bastila who'd just been tortured for hours? Nice. Defeated two unknown jedi who'd just fought through the Star forge? Even better.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Still better than anything Malaks done. Defeated a bastila who'd just been tortured for hours? Nice. Defeated two unknown jedi who'd just fought through the Star forge? Even better.

Yea that's pretty much better than defeating Atris, whose power is unknown and most likely below Malak's. Revan and Malak were #1 and #2 in the galaxy in terms of power, which included Atris. Once again, Malak>Exile.

Yea that's pretty much better than defeating Atris, whose power is unknown and most likely below Malak's.

Prove it. Feat wise, shes superior.

Revan and Malak were #1 and #2 in the galaxy in terms of power, which included Atris.

Prove it, and even if it was true, Atris had years after their death (Revan was effectively dead) to grow, not to mention possessing and massive knowledge base of holocrons upon which to draw from.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Prove it. Feat wise, shes superior.

Prove it, and even if it was true, Atris had years after their death (Revan was effectively dead) to grow, not to mention possessing and massive knowledge base of holocrons upon which to draw from.

Also, show us how many of the holocrons were actually accessible by a Jedi, and how many of those Atris actually used.

I will take you back to a quote from KOTOR, said by Bastila on the Star Forge : "I fear i can not face him with you, as just being in his prescence would corrupt me again." She says that Malak is actually strong enough to corrupt anyone who stands near him or fights him. Can the Exile redeem anyone near her? Nope, she can just form a bond that will kill her. And a few others that will be extremely painful.

Incanus
I will take you back to a quote from KOTOR, said by Bastila on the Star Forge : "I fear i can not face him with you, as just being in his prescence would corrupt me again." She says that Malak is actually strong enough to corrupt anyone who stands near him or fights him.

Don't make things up, Incanus.

I didnt i put in the end quotes. After the last ones it means i am no longer quoting.

facepalm

That's the point. You cite the quote, and then you put words in Bastila's mouth while "explaining" it to us. Bastila never says that "Malak is strong enough to corrupt anyone who stands near him or fights him," but that's what you're telling us she said.

Hence, you're making things up.

ok dude, you dont get it, i was reading between the lines. She is MEANING by saying that, that Malak is powerful enough to corrupt those around him. Just like Nihilus puts a constant slight drain on the people on his ship. You can see it on them.

Wait, can you even do that? I mean, reading between the lines when quoting?

I was reading between the lines while listening to her say it. On the game, i realized Malak corrupts those around him. Extremly powerful people like Revan wouldnt be, but that is becuase he is more powerful than Malak, and my bar (the side bar in character screen) didnt drop around Malak. But Bastila was corrupted near him, albeit through torture, but still..........

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No, she really hasn't. WHO has she defeated without circumstance? Atris? Spare me.

Sion, Traya and Artris. And yes, I don't care about your circumstances argument because it could be applied to Revan as well, essentially a meaningless argument.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
We've seen Malak's force abilities. We haven't seen much from the Exile that would prove useful in a fight.

We've seen Malak do little except kill a couple of generic Jedi. Hardly comparable to defeating 4 powerful dark Jedi and Sith.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Malak>Exile. The exile defeated some sith marauders, and atris without actual circumstances.

The Exile has the superior combat accomplishments. Malak has close to nothing.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Show us "canon" please. Because I own the NEC and JvS. And we've played KOTOR. So no.

Canonically the Exile defeated Sion, Traya and Artris, as well as stopping Nihilus' designs. Malak defeated a couple of no name Jedi and tortured Bastila, his feats don't compare.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Prove she was primarily responsible for Nihilus' death. I'll save you the trouble. Nobody knows. It's confirmed in the JvS.

She canonically fought Nihilus and the Sith lord died in their battle. All I need to know is she contributed to his demise, who struck the killing blow is irrelevant, she was the key to defeating Nihilus.

Visas was adamant about preventing a meeting between Exile and Nihilus until the Exile was strong enough, further cementing the fact that she was the key to beating Nihilus.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I've addressed her fights with Sion and Traya. You can spin it anyway you'd like but victory with fluke/circumstance doesn't help your case.

That's your argument, I don't have to acknowledge it, since it has no bearing on the canon which says she defeated Sion, Traya, Artris and was the major contributor in foiling Nihilus' plans in Onderon and Telos, her actions leading to his eventual demise.

Incanus
ok dude, you dont get it, i was reading between the lines.

Incanus
She is MEANING by saying that, that Malak is powerful enough to corrupt those around him.

Allankles
She canonically fought Nihilus and Sith lord died in their battle. All I need to know is she contributed to his demise, who struck the killing blow is irrelevant, she was the key to defeating Nihilus.

That said, your overall argument - if I'm reading it right - has more merit than DS's.

Originally posted by Eminence
No, you were making shit up.
No, she is "MEANING" that Malak could corrupt her. That might have something to do with the fact that he tortured her until she broke and turned to the dark side, and that she doesn't have the strength of spirit to resist him anymore.