Originally posted by 753
This is very much so capitalism, the only kind that has ever existed. The State has always protected and conluded with capitalists.Remember how people spoke of 'real socialism' to refer to the soviet union and preserve the dream of a righteous proletariat dicatorship that wasn't all ****ed up? Same deal here. The 'capitalism' you speak of is just wishfull thinking and has never existed.
so very true
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Global capitalism will be disasterous in the long run. There will be no middle class, only rich and poor.There will also be accerelated depletion of the earth's already strained resources. We need national governments to regulate cspitalism.
I agree completely with this train of thought. Eventually global capitalism would buckle under it's own weight. Then again, the way that things seem to be going most systems of economics will likely falter.
I have been sitting here reading everything everyone had to say from the very beginning of this thread, and I have to say I'm glad I did. I feel this this topic is a start to an ever growing-none stop thought on how to save our existence. Most of you have great views on the system/government most of us in the world currently live in. I don't have too much to say about the topic but, the global capitalism is absolutely corrupt. Whats the use of bailing out corporation after corporation...its just going to lead to more bail outs and failure. We need a change in the way we as humans do things. Everyone is either looking for a way to get rich or stay afloat. Why? No one really takes notice to the planet itself. Its proven that we started as scavengers to survive, then later leading to hunters and gatherers as we became more intelligent. Hunting and gathering is still used to this day in tribal societies! Now we have more sophisticated homes and ways of living which is great...but failing in some criteria. I believe technology is the key. Technology is improving, yes..but its improving so slowly now its a joke. We have the capabilities to make a lot of things safer for day to day activities, but we don't do these things all because it cost money. What ever happened to doing things because its the right way to do things...the smart way. I have sooo much more to say, but ill leave it at that for now. Please comment.
Originally posted by D-Wag
I have been sitting here reading everything everyone had to say from the very beginning of this thread, and I have to say I'm glad I did. I feel this this topic is a start to an ever growing-none stop thought on how to save our existence. Most of you have great views on the system/government most of us in the world currently live in. I don't have too much to say about the topic but, the global capitalism is absolutely corrupt. Whats the use of bailing out corporation after corporation...its just going to lead to more bail outs and failure. We need a change in the way we as humans do things. Everyone is either looking for a way to get rich or stay afloat. Why? No one really takes notice to the planet itself. Its proven that we started as scavengers to survive, then later leading to hunters and gatherers as we became more intelligent. Hunting and gathering is still used to this day in tribal societies! Now we have more sophisticated homes and ways of living which is great...but failing in some criteria. I believe technology is the key. Technology is improving, yes..but its improving so slowly now its a joke. We have the capabilities to make a lot of things safer for day to day activities, but we don't do these things all because it cost money. What ever happened to doing things because its the right way to do things...the smart way. I have sooo much more to say, but ill leave it at that for now. Please comment.
Nothing lasts forever I guess.
Hopefully human evolution sees to it.
Re: Can we survive Global Capitalism?
Originally posted by coberst
Can we survive Global Capitalism?
Schooling has left us learning-handicapped already. This effort must be self-learning.Adults must begin a concentrated effort toward developing an intellectual life far beyond that which now exists.
if we do, will the children come?
Originally posted by coberstCan we survive Global Capitalism?
There are negative feedback control systems such as a furnace/thermostat or our own bodies. There are positive feedback control systems such as an ordinary fire or our capitalistic economic system.
In a fire the higher the temperature the faster the fuel is burned; the faster the fuel burns the higher goes the temperature. In a business enterprise it is common practice to put a percentage of profit into advertising. More advertising creates greater sales, which mean higher profit.
A negative feedback system seeks out equilibrium; a positive feedback system has no equilibrium and is ever accelerating.
If we have a positive feedback system, such as capitalism being now abetted by Globalism, we face the horrendous situation that the greater the progress the faster the spiral of destruction when considering that the world and humans are negative feedback systems.
If we choose to continue with our present global/capitalistic program we must find a way to dampen the positive feedback system.
Biologists, and probably other sciences, inform us that human conceit, i.e. human ego, distorts our ability to comprehend our self. Egocentricities motivate us into irrational behavior thereby imperiling our survival; the human animal is arrogant and dangerous. Mark Twain was told that “man is the noblest work of God” to which he replied “Now, who found that out?”
Bernard James, author of “The Death of Progress” argues that perhaps a new moral order might be the solution to acquiring the means to avoid self-extinction. He argues that creation is a function of life. It is inventive acts that govern the evolution and survival requirements of human and ecosystems.
I suggest that we must find a new formula for the encouragement of creativity directed at this monumental problem. This is a problem that demands quick action and it seems to me that we cannot wait several generations for this to be accomplished. Today’s adults must recognize the problem and must energetically seek a solution. I think that an invigorated self-actualization through self-learning by adults is required. I am not talking about more schooling. Schooling has left us learning-handicapped already. This effort must be self-learning. Adults must begin a concentrated effort toward developing an intellectual life far beyond that which now exists.
What does any of this have to do with "Capitalism"? Take a college course in economics, for crying out loud - or study yourself approved. Your ignorant.
Originally posted by ushomefree
What does any of this have to do with "Capitalism"? Take a college course in economics, for crying out loud - or study yourself approved. Your ignorant.
Dangerous to challenge someones intelligence when you yourself display a lack of it. Just saying.
You'll get much further in any discussion if you don't start them by looking like an idiot when trying to make someone else look like one.
Originally posted by lord xyz
So I've been reading a bit about Adam Smith, so come on capitalists, why should there be different classes in society?
I don't think capitalists say there should be classes. It just a way to group different people with different incomes and ways of making money together, so it is a consequence of the system that allows people to have the freedom to choose what to do and how to value each others contributions.