Weakest sith to ever exist

Originally posted by Advent
Leland Chee decided that there was no "power charts" on who can beat who.

Mr. Chee had best take it up with his employer, because if Mr. Chee is to be taken at his word, then there is no established power hierarchy anywhere. Which applies to the movies. Which must mean that Maul certainly isn't better than Qui-Gon, Dooku certainly isn't better than Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan certainly isn't better than General Grievous, Sidious certainly isn't better than Kit Fisto, Yoda certainly isn't better than Sidious, and Anakin really doesn't have a midichlorian count exceeding Yoda's.

Originally posted by Gideon
Mr. Chee had best take it up with his employer, because if Mr. Chee is to be taken at his word, then there is no established power hierarchy anywhere. Which applies to the movies. Which must mean that Maul certainly isn't better than Qui-Gon, Dooku certainly isn't better than Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan certainly isn't better than General Grievous, Sidious certainly isn't better than Kit Fisto, Yoda certainly isn't better than Sidious, and Anakin really doesn't have a midichlorian count exceeding Yoda's.

not certaintly possibly. and imo thats true. except for the midichlorian count thing which is a bit more cut and paste imo i dont think you can say with absolute clarity that maul is certaintly better than quigon or dooku is certaintly better then obiwan etc.

Originally posted by Advent
Other than the plethora of lines in EU materials like novels, comic books, magazines and so on? Many sources note Anakin as being the Chosen One and being capable of becoming the most powerful other than Lucas. Most importantly, the characters in the movies themselves admit this openly.

I know that many other sources and several characters know that he is potentially the strongest, but in ms marvels point of view, that just because most of it were just statements of anakin potentially being the strongest and there are no actual feats to back it up, she will disregard it.

Bah i don't know how to explain this any better.

Originally posted by Advent
Other than the plethora of lines in EU materials like novels, comic books, magazines and so on?

You know, I realize that it's late where I am (12:43 am to be precise), but this makes absolutely no sense. If you're defending Anakin's status as the man with the greatest potential ever, why are you now trying to use sources that -- in this very discussion -- you seek to invalidate on grounds of unreliability?

This is more or less the problem that I have with anyone else who hides behind the "foggy window" line.

Many sources note Anakin as being the Chosen One and being capable of becoming the most powerful other than Lucas.

None of which matter, since there aren't any power charts.

Most importantly, the characters in the movies themselves admit this openly.

Characters are fallible. Kind've like Voren Na'al.

i think her point is that there are more then enough sources that state that in one way or another. there isnt just one or two semi-ambiguous quotes. theres enough that we can logically trust the statement.

Originally posted by Gideon
Mr. Chee had best take it up with his employer, because if Mr. Chee is to be taken at his word, then there is no established power hierarchy anywhere. Which applies to the movies. Which must mean that Maul certainly isn't better than Qui-Gon, Dooku certainly isn't better than Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan certainly isn't better than General Grievous, Sidious certainly isn't better than Kit Fisto, Yoda certainly isn't better than Sidious, and Anakin really doesn't have a midichlorian count exceeding Yoda's.

You're taking the quote out of context by far. Everything you described has been tested and proven in the movies.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i think her point is that there are more then enough sources that state that in one way or another.

No, I don't think so.

Because if that is Advent's point, then I question her (previously) unquestioned intellect, integrity, and physical vision.

I've got enough sources proclaiming Palpatine's strength to literally bury her alive. So if she's saying "more = better," then I say bring it on.

there isnt just one or two semi-ambiguous quotes.

If you look hard enough, you can question or spread ambiguity just about everywhere.

theres enough that we can logically trust the statement.

Sidious has the quotes and the feats. So, no, I don't think that's where Advent is going with this.

Originally posted by Gideon
No, I don't think so.

Because if that is Advent's point, then I question her (previously) unquestioned intellect, integrity, and physical vision.

I've got enough sources proclaiming Palpatine's strength to literally bury her alive. So if she's saying "more = better," then I say bring it on.

If you look hard enough, you can question or spread ambiguity just about everywhere.

Sidious has the quotes and the feats. So, no, I don't think that's where Advent is going with this.

i wasnt aware you and her were talking specifically about sideous.

Originally posted by Advent
You're taking the quote out of context by far.

I don't think so. How so?

Everything you described has been tested and proven in the movies.

Where has Anakin's potential been proven in the movies? And any enemy can be defeated given certain circumstance. Who's to say that, under other conditions, Grievous wouldn't have handed Kenobi his ass?

Maybe he was getting stressed due to the appearance of clones.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i wasnt aware you and her were talking specifically about sideous.

That's the example she used.

Originally posted by Gideon
Who's to say that, under other conditions, Grievous wouldn't have handed Kenobi his ass?

Maybe he was getting stressed due to the appearance of clones.

i agree. 🙂

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i think her point is that there are more then enough sources that state that in one way or another. there isnt just one or two semi-ambiguous quotes. theres enough that we can logically trust the statement.

im not talking about sideous. i never was. im a firm believer in his dominance. but not because there is some quotes saying that he is.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i agree. 🙂

I don't.

But that's because my methodology, in all cases, assumes that most statements and events are to be taken at face-value. They have the canon stamp of approval. Now if there is heavy confliction or contradiction, then a responsible logician should question the statement.

But Advent hasn't provided any reason why we should disregard all those statements about Sidious.

I mean no disrespect to her, but it seems to be the behavior of someone who wants to cherrypick.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i think her point is that there are more then enough sources that state that in one way or another. there isnt just one or two semi-ambiguous quotes. theres enough that we can logically trust the statement.

Originally posted by Gideon
I don't.

But that's because my methodology, in all cases, assumes that most statements and events are to be taken at face-value. They have the canon stamp of approval. Now if there is heavy confliction or contradiction, then a responsible logician should question the statement.

thats interesting. youre certainly entitled to that methodology, i feel that one of gods greatest gifts to us is the ability to be different, even among ourselves, but i feel differently. challenge everything, imo. 🙂

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Funny you say this yet you deny exar kuns combat prowess and quotes despite plenty of feats to substantiate them.

hm?

just because i stated what i think she was saying doesnt mean that i agree with wholeheartedly.

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whats up? i thought that my stance on issues like this would be relatively clear for the most part by now. am i putting out mixed messages?

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