Jason Vorhees in Arkham Asylum

Originally posted by jasofisc
so are you saying that Jason's durriblity (- the healing factor) before being a zombie because that's what i thought you were saying.

and it's not faster if ban or croc rip him apart

No, I'm not talking about healing factor, I'm talking about his strict durability. He had superhuman durability before he was finally killed as proven. Regeneration never came into the equation until he became a zombie.

IF they were lucky enough to rip him apart..... And the notion of them being able to do this in close combat before being disembolwed is priceless.... He'd regrow his lost limbs before they could even take advantage of it.

That is only of course if you wnat to keep arguing in favor of his superhuman regenerative factor instead of just admitted that he has superhuman durability that EVERYONE else here knows he has.

Originally posted by jasofisc
are you talking about with his old rusty chain saw? because when he put the new one on he didn't have much trouble at all sawing Jason's arm off. and jason didn't feel threatened??!!! Ash sawed off hs arm, blew his face off amoung other things. also jason uses the same murderus intention no matter the threat. he was slautering random people in a S-mart.

Before Ash went and sawed off limbs, he tried cutting Jason around his waist. I believe that Ash tried to saw him in half but that didn't work out well thanks to Jason's tough skin. He slaughtered random people in S-Mart in perhaps less than two minutes. The guy may walk slow but he's friggin fast. He even killed the S-Mart manager with just a clip board 😐

Originally posted by jasofisc
examples

he can't

you were

later.

Crocs been gutted with bowling pins, stuck with batarangs, shot THROUGH his arm with arrows, and KOed by a regular chick... Jason can cleave through him... he could cleave through Uber Jason Croc opposes no problem it's not up for debate.

I was what? You're not following trains of thought.
I said "it wasn't" in response to your inane bullshit of Jason's bodyhopping being a plot device of the film and not the films premise.

Originally posted by jasofisc
sooo when presented with on panel evidence you are saying that's semantics

What the hell are you even talking about here? 🤨
For one, you haven't SHOWN any on panel evidence of your argument, like... any of it. You haven't even given me reference numbers or defined examples. Given that I was talking about Jason's healing factor not precluding him from having superhuman durability, it is then up to you to show how fast his factor works and prove that it works too fast for damage to mount up that would otherwise pulverize him or cut him in half.

My reference to semantics was in response to you trying to "call me out" on stating that Jason had superhuman stats even though I said he was human earlier.

And like I said, we were talking about Jason's undead status not his stats. I shouldn't have to explain to you the context of the conversation you're ALREADY IN.... it's ridiculous.

Originally posted by jasofisc
but presumpstions like teleporting and a luck factor,

Originally posted by jasofisc
superhuman duriblity (even though a HF and pain tolarance can explain how he takes so much dammage) are sold facts even though they were never explained or stated.

on the other hand it was also never stated or explained that Jason's HF was fast acting enough to respond instantaneously to damage, it was also proven that it wasn't when he didn't instantly regenerate his eye after it was cut out, regenerate the holes in his head when he was plugged with nails, the massive chunks blown off him by the cyborg.....

But you want to contend that his damage soak has nothing to do with durability... you're being ignorant and asinine

Originally posted by jasofisc
i agree that Jason is more durrble then a common human i just don't think it's quite super human. enhanced durriblity + healing factor + pain tolarance+ it's a horror movie not a comic = Jason walking up from being thrown from a van.

Oh no, PLENTY of people can walk out of explosions powerful enough to level whole houses, at ground zero, in an inclose space where they wouls have to absorb more concussive force of the impact... I see that all the time. 🙄

Basically you want to argue against a version of Jason that doesn't exist.... Or perhaps he does... If you want to argue against a Jason who showed little outside of normal human stats, perhaps you should make another thread with the new Jason... as the old one stands, you're dealing with a superhuman spook accross the board.

Originally posted by jinzin
No, I'm not talking about healing factor, I'm talking about his strict durability. He had superhuman durability before he was finally killed as proven. Regeneration never came into the equation until he became a zombie.

IF they were lucky enough to rip him apart..... And the notion of them being able to do this in close combat before being disembolwed is priceless.... He'd regrow his lost limbs before they could even take advantage of it.

That is only of course if you wnat to keep arguing in favor of his superhuman regenerative factor instead of just admitted that he has superhuman durability that EVERYONE else here knows he has.

thanks for the clarafication on what you ment on his durriblity. So someone with super human durablility can get their head's cut in half by mouth from the goonies chech out 4 again that's what happened. if that's super human durriblity then i guess i have superhuman durriblity too. and i agree with what your saing aobut regeneration

Jason has regrown limbs on the spot?????? when he didn't regrow his arm or fingers in time for them to be of any use.

i see it as enhanced durriblity not nessarly per se. I guess it's beyound normal human durriblity but i would have a hard time classifing it as superhuman. I guess low level superhuman durrblity i could deffently see that.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Before Ash went and sawed off limbs, he tried cutting Jason around his waist. I believe that Ash tried to saw him in half but that didn't work out well thanks to Jason's tough skin. He slaughtered random people in S-Mart in perhaps less than two minutes. The guy may walk slow but he's friggin fast. He even killed the S-Mart manager with just a clip board 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
later.

Crocs been gutted with bowling pins, stuck with batarangs, shot THROUGH his arm with arrows, and KOed by a regular chick... Jason can cleave through him... he could cleave through Uber Jason Croc opposes no problem it's not up for debate.

I was what? You're not following trains of thought.
I said "it wasn't" in response to your inane bullshit of Jason's bodyhopping being a plot device of the film and not the films premise.

you were was just a joke don't take it so hard

question Jason has cleaved through uber Jason i call PIS unless he had some kind of unbreakable machite. a

and it is open for debate since their is stuff he hasn't cleaved though like a table in FVJ.

did any of those things kills him? did i mention croc's a bad guy and plot induced stupity like catwoman beating him is not allowed.

you asked before how has furthered mutation has helped croc a few post ago. well check out the grundy respect thread. Grundy has a fight with croc in it. before this incarnation their was no way croc would have been able to knock grundy down or swing him around with his jaws and tackle him. (not saying croc is in current grundy's class just that the fact croc is able to face grundy for any amount of him let alone for several pages shows great improvment for croc)

Originally posted by jinzin
What the hell are you even talking about here? 🤨
For one, you haven't SHOWN any on panel evidence of your argument, like... any of it. You haven't even given me reference numbers or defined examples. Given that I was talking about Jason's healing factor not precluding him from having superhuman durability, it is then up to you to show how fast his factor works and prove that it works too fast for damage to mount up that would otherwise pulverize him or cut him in half.

My reference to semantics was in response to you trying to "call me out" on stating that Jason had superhuman stats even though I said he was human earlier.

And like I said, we were talking about Jason's undead status not his stats. I shouldn't have to explain to you the context of the conversation you're ALREADY IN.... it's ridiculous.

What's presumptuous about those abilities?
If you've seen Friday 6-10 you know damn well he has them. It's beyond question and proven on screen.
This isn't just stuff that happened once in a five minute segment of film, it's stuff that happens with Jason repeatedly... Though I understand why you want to ignore it, given how threatening that makes him to your innmates here.

I've already proven he has superhuman durability, both before AND after zombification in instances where his ambiguous regen couldn't even account for his feats... They don't need to be explained.

on the other hand it was also never stated or explained that Jason's HF was fast acting enough to respond instantaneously to damage, it was also proven that it wasn't when he didn't instantly regenerate his eye after it was cut out, regenerate the holes in his head when he was plugged with nails, the massive chunks blown off him by the cyborg.....

But you want to contend that his damage soak has nothing to do with durability... you're being ignorant and asinine

Oh no, PLENTY of people can walk out of explosions powerful enough to level whole houses, at ground zero, in an inclose space where they wouls have to absorb more concussive force of the impact... I see that all the time. 🙄

Basically you want to argue against a version of Jason that doesn't exist.... Or perhaps he does... If you want to argue against a Jason who showed little outside of normal human stats, perhaps you should make another thread with the new Jason... as the old one stands, you're dealing with a superhuman spook accross the board.

i have shown on panel evidence the entire time and refernces. you just like to ignore them and glory in what you presive to be your superior inteliect.

basically i'm arguing about a Jason as he is shown in comics and the movie not some think in my head. you however are making up crap based on your misguided views of what happened. I'm not saying i can't see your point i can. but i come to seprate conclustion based on that evidence. as stated before

by the way deuple lungern in the punisher movie in the 80's "survived being in an explostion that leveled a house maybe you want to start saying he has superhuman duriblity or teleportation powers. F13 was an 80's horror movie their are a ton of stupid reasons why Jason was able to take what ever damage he takes.

Ok so my current postion is that the inmate would beat Jason but only one or two survive. (which are bane or croc) Jason slauters everyone else. I do agree now (key word being now) that Jason has low level superhuman durriblity, strength, a hf and is more deadly than any of the inmates. I think it would take Jason toooooo long to kill either Jason or croc and the crazys have teamed up too many times (knight fall, salvation run) for me to believe that with the power out that they wont get out of their cells in time to confront Jason (not saying that it will do many of them very much good just will help the over all outcome).

I can totaly see how many see Jason as being able to teleport, enhansed speed, and a luck factor. I just don't see it that way.

btw Jinzin you have convinced me on many thing and you know more about Jason then i do (it has been quite some time since i've watched F13) you act like such an @$$ when you have a point that i just have a deep seeded need to disagree with you, but you do know your stuff.

Originally posted by jasofisc
thanks for the clarafication on what you ment on his durriblity. So someone with super human durablility can get their head's cut in half by mouth from the goonies chech out 4 again that's what happened. if that's super human durriblity then i guess i have superhuman durriblity too. and i agree with what your saing aobut regeneration

Jason has regrown limbs on the spot?????? when he didn't regrow his arm or fingers in time for them to be of any use.

i see it as enhanced durriblity not nessarly per se. I guess it's beyound normal human durriblity but i would have a hard time classifing it as superhuman. I guess low level superhuman durrblity i could deffently see that.

Why do you continue to defect to acceptions to the rule?

Jason took massive shots from a shovel, a machette, a hammer and an axe all to the head/face/neck area without any one of those shots doing much more than topical and superficial damage.

The kid being able to launch a machette swing into his eye isn't even all that impressive when you think about it. The only thing that Jarvis successfully cut through was a small degree of Jason's orbital cavity which is a thin sheet of bone covered by next to no muscle at all. The blade failed to actually cut through his head until he finally dropped on top of it's hilt with his own momentum and body weight. I don't find that discrediting to his durability to be honest.

As I said, his best healing feat, and the only feat that supports your theory for why Jason has the damage soak he does, comes from one panel in a single comic. In that panel half his upper torso was blown away, and it regrew faster than onlookers could react to to run away.

Originally posted by jasofisc
you were was just a joke don't take it so hard

question Jason has cleaved through uber Jason i call PIS unless he had some kind of unbreakable machite. a

and it is open for debate since their is stuff he hasn't cleaved though like a table in FVJ.

did any of those things kills him? did i mention croc's a bad guy and plot induced stupity like catwoman beating him is not allowed.

you asked before how has furthered mutation has helped croc a few post ago. well check out the grundy respect thread. Grundy has a fight with croc in it. before this incarnation their was no way croc would have been able to knock grundy down or swing him around with his jaws and tackle him. (not saying croc is in current grundy's class just that the fact croc is able to face grundy for any amount of him let alone for several pages shows great improvment for croc)

Obviously that damage didn't kill him, but it either put him out of commission in the fight or completely knocked him unconcious. He's not beyond Jason's ability to seriously harm, mame or kill.

Swinging grundy around isn't impressive. Croc's a bit stronger than a peak human, but c'mon even guys like Cap and Wolverine have been able to floor hulk or flip him over. Grundy's strength class has no bearing on his body weight. 😬

Originally posted by jasofisc
i have shown on panel evidence the entire time and refernces. you just like to ignore them and glory in what you presive to be your superior inteliect.

basically i'm arguing about a Jason as he is shown in comics and the movie not some think in my head. you however are making up crap based on your misguided views of what happened. I'm not saying i can't see your point i can. but i come to seprate conclustion based on that evidence. as stated before

You can come to a seperate conclusion about these things but until proven otherwise your conclussions are purely based in speculations and totally unsupported.

Originally posted by jasofisc
by the way deuple lungern in the punisher movie in the 80's "survived being in an explostion that leveled a house maybe you want to start saying he has superhuman duriblity or teleportation powers. F13 was an 80's horror movie their are a ton of stupid reasons why Jason was able to take what ever damage he takes.

At ground zero? I dunthinkso.

One of those reasons being superhuman durability.

Originally posted by jasofisc
Ok so my current postion is that the inmate would beat Jason but only one or two survive. (which are bane or croc) Jason slauters everyone else. I do agree now (key word being now) that Jason has low level superhuman durriblity, strength, a hf and is more deadly than any of the inmates. I think it would take Jason toooooo long to kill either Jason or croc and the crazys have teamed up too many times (knight fall, salvation run) for me to believe that with the power out that they wont get out of their cells in time to confront Jason (not saying that it will do many of them very much good just will help the over all outcome).

I can totaly see how many see Jason as being able to teleport, enhansed speed, and a luck factor. I just don't see it that way.

btw Jinzin you have convinced me on many thing and you know more about Jason then i do (it has been quite some time since i've watched F13) you act like such an @$$ when you have a point that i just have a deep seeded need to disagree with you, but you do know your stuff.

I know my argumentative style can be difficult sometimes, but in my defense you were the one who attacked me for what you think is "making stuff up" and not knowing anything about the innmates.

At this point I think we've come to some kind of amicable point in the conversation though and I think rather than dance more circles with you I'll just be inclined to agree to disagree.

Clayface shows up and kills Jason.

The end.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not making up anything. Everything I've stated has clearly been displayed on panel, on screen, and then supported by the direcctors viewpoints of the character for the movies.

You can come to a seperate conclusion about these things but until proven otherwise your conclussions are purely based in speculations and totally unsupported.

At ground zero? I dunthinkso.

One of those reasons being superhuman durability.

my are based on the facts and feats of the movies and comics

and yes it was ground zero

Originally posted by jinzin
I know my argumentative style can be difficult sometimes, but in my defense you were the one who attacked me for what you think is "making stuff up" and not knowing anything about the innmates.

At this point I think we've come to some kind of amicable point in the conversation though and I think rather than dance more circles with you I'll just be inclined to agree to disagree.

agreed

Originally posted by jasofisc
I agree but it's not like he is chain saw proof

I know he isn't saw proof. He can get cut but because of his skin and insides being rough, cutting him in half wouldn't be easy.

Machete + Crocodile = one dead Croc.

jason is immortal he kills them all

we're still having this arguement??? WOW!!!