Jason Vorhees in Arkham Asylum

Originally posted by jasofisc
Oh i do understand the differnce i just thought if you were going to make a list discounting croc's further mutation i would make one that doesn't include how killed jason when he was a zombie and who killed him when he was not. yeah well your list doesn't account for how powerful croc has become due to further mutation (which show you knowlege of croc to a T) my point is if we are going to make a list of who as beat who lets be fair about it. croc would easly beat the swat team so would bane look at the darn respect thread bane has done it because he's not stupid enough to be caught like jason was. Not sure what would happen to the robot if it attacked bane or croc. how would the ghost dad beat bane or croc

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Perhaps you would like to enlighten me on just what this "further mutation" ever even did for Croc?

I referenced those occasions because the only thing that mattered there was his durability. And his durability hasn't changed.

Even at the peak of his mutation, during Hush he was still KOed by Batman swinging him headfirst into a pipe.

Since then? He's been shot with arrows by Huntress, got rocked with a kick by Catwoman to the point that he saw stars, knocked out by a street-tough female with one punch, had batarangs stuck in his hyde... I could keep going.

You seem to think his hyde is enough to stop a machette weilded by Jason Voorees which is insane. He's never shown that level of superhuman durability and frankly current timeline Jason put his machette through Uber Jason which was deflecting futuristic gunfire.
As was already pointed out to you, this has little to do with our lack of knowledge concerning DC's inmates and everything to do with your bloated opinion about what they're capable of.

Of course I'm no Croc expert so if you think different please prove so.

I find it funny you seem to think Jason's body hopping was PIS, but him being surprised by an entire swat team in his own back yard was not.

In any case jason's beaten larger paramilitary forces than that in droves so it's of little consequence that Croc or Bane might be able to do the same.

jason hits croc in the stomach preceeds to behead him

Originally posted by blue_beast
killer crock and bane will beat jason, people are forgeting that its not all about strength... so ye in strength they might be equel but lets look at the entire picture, jason is really and i mean really slow ... freddy was able to land 10 shots at him before jason could even react, in jason x a soldier was able to give him couple of karate kicks before he could react, jason is very slow and bane doesnt need that many shots to take him out just 1-2 good blows to knock his butt down

also lets put ion the fact that bane is a very skilled fighter while jason doesnt know anything about fighting at all, he only knows brute slow strength so seriously? jason doesnt have any chance against someone his strength caliber only much faster and much more skilled

and they dont have to kill him they can just take him apart i mean a shot with a murter from a gun in jason goes to hell was able to take him apart like nothing which means his body parts arent that hard to tear apart

Jason VS. Freddy was the ONLY time Jason ever looked slow in a fight and it was only the first half of that fight which wasn't even consistent with the rest of the movie given that Jason at the latter half was negotiating Freddy's attacks much more effecciently and was actually getting the better of him in the dreamworld.

God, the guy decapitated three people before they could even react, used extremely fast hands to drop ken kirzinger before he could land an attack and boxed Tina into a corner because he wasn't slow.

That's not even taking into account his comic book performances in which he just has ridiculous feats of hand speed. 😕

Banes a more skilled fighter using martial arts and acrobatics. Jasons a much more lethal fighter who simply kills with disregard.

Jason's body will be harder to take apart for them then the other way around.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh, yeah, you did. You think me arguing for Jason's ability to cut Croc is somehow close to on the same level of me thinking his Machette's can contend with Thor's hammer, your equivocation. Not mine.

Body hopping was the ENTIRE premise for the movie, not just a plot device to move the film along, but the actual plot OF THE FILM. you simply can't write it off. I know you really want to though.
Bottom line is that it's an ability that Jason has if his body is comprimised and unfortunatley for Croc (the only person here who could begin to contend with Jason in h2h2) IF he did beat Jason and somehow retained his motor funtions and limbs, he's A) too stupid to try and resist Jasons telepathic suggestions and hypnosis and B) ALREADY wants to eat every opponent he comes accross.

Thus, him eating Jason's heart and becoming possessed by Jason is practically a given if he ended up given Jason fits.

Now, Jason has superhuman durability you can't just continue to ignore this. He's actually been hit by many cars and his body doesn't end up mangeled. Again, you're ignoring what he has done, He was shot by hundreds of bullets without being torn to shreds, he's been shot point blank with shotguns in the stomach without being cut in half, he wheathered the explosion that leveled (completely flattened) a 2 story house and was at ground zero of that explosion, he got nailed with a massive steel still in the face repeatidly and it didn't deconstruct his bones. Nails shot at his face with telepathy strong enough to tear a house apart failed to impale farther than an inch into him. The sheer fact that he can punch down or through steel doors and walls without splattering his hand first are a testiment to his durability.

In any case you're arguing using a double standard here as you already argued that NO HUMAN could take the amount of damage that Jason took when he was a human.. which is true. Repeated shovels to the face, 14 hacks with an axe to his wrist that failed to sever it, an axe to the head that failed to reach his brain, a machette to his neck that failed to take of his head. He's insanely durable and you simply can't chalk that up to his healing factor unless you think it works instantaneously which we've seen it doesn't... and the only evidence of that it does comes from one page in a single F13 comic. This isn't what I've made up. It's what's been presented on screen or on panel.

noooooo i'm using hyperbole can't see how you didn't see that

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh, yeah, you did. You think me arguing for Jason's ability to cut Croc is somehow close to on the same level of me thinking his Machette's can contend with Thor's hammer, your equivocation. Not mine.

Body hopping was the ENTIRE premise for the movie, not just a plot device to move the film along, but the actual plot OF THE FILM. you simply can't write it off. I know you really want to though.
Bottom line is that it's an ability that Jason has if his body is comprimised and unfortunatley for Croc (the only person here who could begin to contend with Jason in h2h2) IF he did beat Jason and somehow retained his motor funtions and limbs, he's A) too stupid to try and resist Jasons telepathic suggestions and hypnosis and B) ALREADY wants to eat every opponent he comes accross.

Thus, him eating Jason's heart and becoming possessed by Jason is practically a given if he ended up given Jason fits.

Now, Jason has superhuman durability you can't just continue to ignore this. He's actually been hit by many cars and his body doesn't end up mangeled. Again, you're ignoring what he has done, He was shot by hundreds of bullets without being torn to shreds, he's been shot point blank with shotguns in the stomach without being cut in half, he wheathered the explosion that leveled (completely flattened) a 2 story house and was at ground zero of that explosion, he got nailed with a massive steel still in the face repeatidly and it didn't deconstruct his bones. Nails shot at his face with telepathy strong enough to tear a house apart failed to impale farther than an inch into him. The sheer fact that he can punch down or through steel doors and walls without splattering his hand first are a testiment to his durability.

In any case you're arguing using a double standard here as you already argued that NO HUMAN could take the amount of damage that Jason took when he was a human.. which is true. Repeated shovels to the face, 14 hacks with an axe to his wrist that failed to sever it, an axe to the head that failed to reach his brain, a machette to his neck that failed to take of his head. He's insanely durable and you simply can't chalk that up to his healing factor unless you think it works instantaneously which we've seen it doesn't... and the only evidence of that it does comes from one page in a single F13 comic. This isn't what I've made up. It's what's been presented on screen or on panel.

i have already contradicted that what you have been talking about and with my own on panel evidence i have no interest in doing it again.

and you said he was just human before 6 so youra hypocrate too. the fact is i'm just agree with your idea that he was human before 6.

This is a comic book forum sooooo i think comic book evidence counts

Originally posted by jinzin
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Perhaps you would like to enlighten me on just what this "further mutation" ever even did for Croc?

I referenced those occasions because the only thing that mattered there was his durability. And his durability hasn't changed.

Even at the peak of his mutation, during Hush he was still KOed by Batman swinging him headfirst into a pipe.

Since then? He's been shot with arrows by Huntress, got rocked with a kick by Catwoman to the point that he saw stars, knocked out by a street-tough female with one punch, had batarangs stuck in his hyde... I could keep going.

You seem to think his hyde is enough to stop a machette weilded by Jason Voorees which is insane. He's never shown that level of superhuman durability and frankly current timeline Jason put his machette through Uber Jason which was deflecting futuristic gunfire.
As was already pointed out to you, this has little to do with our lack of knowledge concerning DC's inmates and everything to do with your bloated opinion about what they're capable of.

Of course I'm no Croc expert so if you think different please prove so.

I find it funny you seem to think Jason's body hopping was PIS, but him being surprised by an entire swat team in his own back yard was not.

In any case jason's beaten larger paramilitary forces than that in droves so it's of little consequence that Croc or Bane might be able to do the same.

when has Jason beaten larger paramilitary forces then what bane faced. the guys in Jason X where just some punks (with the exception of one) were seemed like they were just playing around untill they were dead.

ps i think Jason can break Crocs hide with the machite just not enough to kill him with it.

body hoping was a plot device. he hasn't been able to show it before or since. it's like t-Vo

Originally posted by jinzin
Jason VS. Freddy was the ONLY time Jason ever looked slow in a fight and it was only the first half of that fight which wasn't even consistent with the rest of the movie given that Jason at the latter half was negotiating Freddy's attacks much more effecciently and was actually getting the better of him in the dreamworld.

God, the guy decapitated three people before they could even react, used extremely fast hands to drop ken kirzinger before he could land an attack and boxed Tina into a corner because he wasn't slow.

That's not even taking into account his comic book performances in which he just has ridiculous feats of hand speed. 😕

Banes a more skilled fighter using martial arts and acrobatics. Jasons a much more lethal fighter who simply kills with disregard.

Jason's body will be harder to take apart for them then the other way around.

I will give you that jason can do burst of speed. Still not fast enough though to get the better of ash. (Ash rocks though hail to the king baby)

still croc has show much better durriblty then Jason no matter how you look at it. Jason's body will not be all that hard to take apart if ash can do it with a chain saw bane or croc can do it with their bare hands.

Originally posted by jasofisc
Jason's body will not be all that hard to take apart if ash can do it with a chain saw bane or croc can do it with their bare hands.

Actually Ash tried to saw Jason in half but Jason has a rough and hard body that made it difficult for Ash to cut. Jason even grabbed the chainsaw while it was still running and it should've sliced Jason's fingers off but surprisingly it didn't. Jason didn't even feel threatened when that saw made contact with him, he was just annoyed as heck which made him throw Ash through a wall and into a vending machine. That was a sign of him being pissed and annoyed. If he felt threatened he would've done something worse than tossing Ash around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Actually Ash tried to saw Jason in half but Jason has a rough and hard body that made it difficult for Ash to cut. Jason even grabbed the chainsaw while it was still running and it should've sliced Jason's fingers off but surprisingly it didn't. Jason didn't even feel threatened when that saw made contact with him, he was just annoyed as heck which made him throw Ash through a wall and into a vending machine. That was a sign of him being pissed and annoyed. If he felt threatened he would've done something worse than tossing Ash around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by jasofisc
i have already contradicted that what you have been talking about and with my own on panel evidence i have no interest in doing it again.

and you said he was just human before 6 so youra hypocrate too. the fact is i'm just agree with your idea that he was human before 6.

This is a comic book forum sooooo i think comic book evidence counts

Uh yeah, he was a human as in... not a zombie.. I don't see how I should have to explain that to you.

His having superhuman attributes should not have needed to come into question.

You're arguments based on semantics, mines not.

In that case, Jason has superhuman durability AND a healing factor that works at a rate faster than Croc or Bane can do damage way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Originally posted by jasofisc
when has Jason beaten larger paramilitary forces then what bane faced. the guys in Jason X where just some punks (with the exception of one) were seemed like they were just playing around untill they were dead.

ps i think Jason can break Crocs hide with the machite just not enough to kill him with it.

body hoping was a plot device. he hasn't been able to show it before or since. it's like t-Vo

He can.

it wasn't.

Originally posted by jinzin
Comics.

He can.

it wasn't.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Joker would have something up his sleeve given a different environment and some prep.

According to the shortly lived "The Joker" series, Joker has a base directly under his cell in Arkaham. So, yeah, he could probably pull out whatever he wanted to kill Jason with.

Originally posted by jasofisc
here's the deal Jason has never faced anyone like killer croc or bane (who opposed to what jinzin thinks isn't just some guy when he doesn't have venom but is still super strong) however the inmates have associated with far more dangerous and supernatural people then him. people on here seem to think that the inmates are just going to pis their pants and die in their cells. out of all the times they have gotten out of their cells they can't in a life and death emergency when the power is cut?

Read Secret Six. He's hella strong, but it's not super-strength. Peak human, more or less.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Read Secret Six. He's hella strong, but it's not super-strength. Peak human, more or less.

peak humans can rip people's arms off?

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh yeah, he was a human as in... not a zombie.. I don't see how I should have to explain that to you.

His having superhuman attributes should not have needed to come into question.

You're arguments based on semantics, mines not.

In that case, Jason has superhuman durability AND a healing factor that works at a rate faster than Croc or Bane can do damage way to shoot yourself in the foot.

so are you saying that Jason's durriblity (- the healing factor) before being a zombie because that's what i thought you were saying.

and it's not faster if ban or croc rip him apart

Originally posted by jinzin
Comics.

He can.

it wasn't.

examples

he can't

you were

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Actually Ash tried to saw Jason in half but Jason has a rough and hard body that made it difficult for Ash to cut. Jason even grabbed the chainsaw while it was still running and it should've sliced Jason's fingers off but surprisingly it didn't. Jason didn't even feel threatened when that saw made contact with him, he was just annoyed as heck which made him throw Ash through a wall and into a vending machine. That was a sign of him being pissed and annoyed. If he felt threatened he would've done something worse than tossing Ash around like a rag doll.

are you talking about with his old rusty chain saw? because when he put the new one on he didn't have much trouble at all sawing Jason's arm off. and jason didn't feel threatened??!!! Ash sawed off hs arm, blew his face off amoung other things. also jason uses the same murderus intention no matter the threat. he was slautering random people in a S-mart.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh yeah, he was a human as in... not a zombie.. I don't see how I should have to explain that to you.

His having superhuman attributes should not have needed to come into question.

You're arguments based on semantics, mines not.

In that case, Jason has superhuman durability AND a healing factor that works at a rate faster than Croc or Bane can do damage way to shoot yourself in the foot.

sooo when presented with on panel evidence you are saying that's semantics but presumpstions like teleporting and a luck factor, superhuman duriblity (even though a HF and pain tolarance can explain how he takes so much dammage) are sold facts even though they were never explained or stated.

i agree that Jason is more durrble then a common human i just don't think it's quite super human. enhanced durriblity + healing factor + pain tolarance+ it's a horror movie not a comic = Jason walking up from being thrown from a van.

Originally posted by jasofisc
peak humans can rip people's arms off?

JEEZUS... it's little wonder you were actually surprised that Bane was fast and agile.

yes, peak human's are at neat looney tune levels of speed and strength compared to normal people. For god sakes Batman's kicked the steel roof of a speeding car and turned it into a convertible. 😐