Originally posted by grimify
What? You'd have to keep someone under water the whole time to drown them? You couldn't let them come up for air or the drowning process would fail?Man, I wish I had known that... 😄
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine has his throat ripped out and is then tossed into a river. An hour passes by and we're treated to a STRONG suggestion that Wolverine can't be drowned to death.
1. http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7421/nodrownuo5.jpg
That happened before Fatal Attractions.
Originally posted by Master Court
Goodness gracious.Alright, I'll walk you through it. Hold my hand... HOLD MY HAND!!
Alright. I didn't say the Dog O' War COULD crush adamantium. And I'm sure you know what hyperbole is. You used the word, you know what it means. It means S**T-TALKING, brah! I don't know if your dictionaries define it like that, but that's what it is. Like Sentry is said to have the power of "a million exploding suns". Well, that's certainly s**t-talk, agreed? Agreed. However, there's no possible way to discern whether or not he actually DOES or does NOT.
The guy that drove the Dog O' War stated very confidently that it could crush adamantium in like six seconds or something. To me, it sounds more like Maestro designed a powerful weapon to patrol his city, rather than he simply sent out guys on metal dogs to scare everyone into thinking it was a powerful weapon. I'd be more inclined to believe the pilot of the Dog O' War and Maestro's intelligence over you simply saying "Can you prove it?" Further more, and again, I never said it COULD crush adamantium. I said if it can, then Hulk can.
And look, sergeant, I never said you said this or that. I said Wolverine's not immortal. He's not. There are so many people that could kill him, it's hilarious. And it doesn't even take top-tiers. Lots of standard street-grade superheroes could kill him. Villains, too.
Hold your hand? Do you need me to walk you to the short bus again?
So... you never stated it could crush adamantium, and because there is no proof to support the claim you practically admit that the statement was hyperbole... yet you're going to use it anyhow because there's simply no proof that the dog can't crush adamantium?
THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION.
I don't know if your special-ed. dictionary defines such a big word for you, but here it is anyhow:
as⋅sump⋅tion /əˈsʌmpʃən/ [uh-suhmp-shuhn]
–noun
1. something taken for granted; a supposition
2. the act of taking for granted or supposing.
3. arrogance; presumption.
Name these street-levelers you claim to be able to kill Wolverine under their own power. I'll wait here to pick you up when the short bus drops you off.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Magneto did that and guess what? Logan is still alive.Besides, his healing factor is a lot more powerful now.
hasn't it been reduced back to clasic levels after civil war ?
Originally posted by bbrem123
some cool scans of sentry killing wolverine
although i highly doubt logan can cut sentry with his claws even if he tried... sheild said they haven't found a way to kill him and im sure they got plenty of adamantium bullets (i.e. the ones they saved for wwhulk) that they concluded didn't work
besides how would logan ever stab sentry he has bullet catching reflexes and speed...
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Hold your hand? Do you need me to walk you to the short bus again?So... you never stated it could crush adamantium, and because there is no proof to support the claim you practically admit that the statement was hyperbole... yet you're going to use it anyhow because there's simply no proof that the dog can't crush adamantium?
THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION.
I don't know if your special-ed. dictionary defines such a big word for you, but here it is anyhow:
as⋅sump⋅tion /əˈsʌmpʃən/ [uh-suhmp-shuhn]
–noun
1. something taken for granted; a supposition
2. the act of taking for granted or supposing.
3. arrogance; presumption.Name these street-levelers you claim to be able to kill Wolverine under their own power. I'll wait here to pick you up when the short bus drops you off.
*sigh*
And again. Alright. Look. I'll do this in point-by-point arguments.
1. I said if the Dog 'O War can crush adamantium, Hulk can crush adamantium. That part would be true, based on the feat of Hulk overpowering the Dog 'O War. IF the Dog 'O War can crush adamantium.
2. The Dog 'O War either CAN or CAN'T crush adamantium. That's true too.
3. I never said I assume the Dog 'O War can crush adamantium. I said I'd be more LIKELY to believe it can than can't, because Maestro's an ultra genius, bat-s**t crazy, and he'd easily have the means to make something of that caliber, even if he had to build it with his own bare hands. And he certainly has enough people to bring him everything he needs, be it powerful power sources, extremely durable metals(perhaps even adamantium) and other materials, and hand jobs.
4. I said street-GRADE, dudeness, not street LEVELERS. Super strength isn't necessary. Your average crop of super-humans that can kill Wolverine are, off the top of my head; Invisible Woman, Shocker, Blade, standard showing Ghost Rider, Morbius, Doctor Doom, and...
5. Gorgon. He killed Wolverine in one of the Wolverine graphic novels. He didn't just incapacitate him. He killed him. And it was official. And Gorgon's only power is turning people to stone by making eye-contact, a power he didn't even use on Wolverine. He killed Wolverine in a simple melee fight with a standard katana. And they resurrected him as an agent of The Hand. Also true, and it sets a very clear precedent of Wolverine being completely killed in a fight.
6. The short-bus stuff was hilarious. And a pretty good insult, as well. People these days have lost the craft of insults. The perfect insult is a quick kill. Not just saying "f**kface", "*****", "********", "*****biter", "****tugger", or "************". You know what I mean?
That's everything. You?
Originally posted by Master Court
1. I said if the Dog 'O War can crush adamantium, Hulk can crush adamantium. That part would be true, based on the feat of Hulk overpowering the Dog 'O War. IF the Dog 'O War can crush adamantium.2. The Dog 'O War either CAN or CAN'T crush adamantium. That's true too.
3. I never said I assume the Dog 'O War can crush adamantium. I said I'd be more LIKELY to believe it can than can't, because Maestro's an ultra genius, bat-s**t crazy, and he'd easily have the means to make something of that caliber, even if he had to build it with his own bare hands. And he certainly has enough people to bring him everything he needs, be it powerful power sources, extremely durable metals(perhaps even adamantium) and other materials, and hand jobs.
That's fine, but it also wasn't specified what type of adamantium. Hulk and other bricks have been shown to be capable of damaging secondary adamantium before. True adamantium is a hell of a lot stronger than secondary adamantium, and to my knowledge, it has never been physically damaged.
Without proof that the Dog can do it, it's just speculation based on probable hyperbole. To take it as truth and use it in this hypothetical thread would be an assumption.
Originally posted by Master Court
4. I said street-GRADE, dudeness, not street LEVELERS. Super strength isn't necessary. Your average crop of super-humans that can kill Wolverine are, off the top of my head; Invisible Woman, Shocker, Blade, standard showing Ghost Rider, Morbius, Doctor Doom, and...5. Gorgon. He killed Wolverine in one of the Wolverine graphic novels. He didn't just incapacitate him. He killed him. And it was official. And Gorgon's only power is turning people to stone by making eye-contact, a power he didn't even use on Wolverine. He killed Wolverine in a simple melee fight with a standard katana. And they resurrected him as an agent of The Hand. Also true, and it sets a very clear precedent of Wolverine being completely killed in a fight.
I've never heard of "street-grade" before. If it's anything like what I think you're implying it is, then Doom, Ghost Rider, Gorgon, and Invisible Woman don't belong in that category.
I'm looking at this thread in two ways:
1) who can beat Wolverine and then kill him under their own power
2) whose powers are ideal for killing Wolverine
This thread is using Wolverine with his insanely-powerful Civil War healing factor. Gorgon has a great chance of killing classic Wolverine, but not the version we're using for this debate. Swords, guns, explosions, drowning, etc. won't be enough to kill him if blowing off all of his flesh and internal organs (except the brain) didn't get the job done.
Originally posted by Master Court
6. The short-bus stuff was hilarious. And a pretty good insult, as well. People these days have lost the craft of insults. The perfect insult is a quick kill. Not just saying "f**kface", "*****", "********", "*****biter", "****tugger", or "************". You know what I mean?That's everything. You?
Originally posted by Starscream M
Spider-Man CANNOT kill wolverine
Agreed ten-fold!
I've seen Wolverine punch Spider-Man a thousand times, if he simply had his claws out, Spider-Man becomes Spider-guy-that-was-just-cut-to-ribbons-and-is-f**kin-dead-now!
Spider-Man has absolutely NO way to kill Wolverine. Wolverine is almost immortal versus blunt force. Even Hulk thinks he can't kill him. I think he could if he just hit him in the face REALLY F**KIN HARD! We ARE talking about a guy who held a planet together during a massive global earthquake. But Spider-Man doesn't have anywhere NEAR the power required.
Anyway, I meant street-grade as in the super-humans who aren't battling for the world on a regular basis. I mean, why can't Morlun absorb the life force from Wolverine? Not killing him through wounds, but sapping the very essence of life. Oh, yeah, I said Morbius last time. I meant Morlun. Not Morbius. Morbius sucks. He's lame.
Anywho, if they really haven't brought Wolvie's HF back down from Civil War, which I kinda thought they had, then I hereby retract all former statements, declarations, opinions, and implications regarding the plausibility and/or likeness of any named individual's ability and/or power to injure, harm, and damage Wolverine to the point of death solely under aforementioned individual's own ability and/or power without assistance of any kind from any other person or persons, named and unnamed, regardless of outside person or persons disposition, incentive, or power. 📖
Originally posted by Lord Feron
I guess but as soon as he gets out he could come back. Maybe thats more similar to a KO but technicaly he can be drawned but still you have to be strong enough which isn't too harad but you have to not get stabbed by his claws... so yeah it's alot harder than one would think.Oh yeah, im gonna go with any guy with a nifty ring glowing ring...
Tiger shark almost killed him by drowning him. He stuck his claws into coral. Wolverine said he would have drowned if he had not broke the coral.
