Have to say, Jobberseid is the weak link here. 😛 Think Odin would allow that pretty-boy Kryptonian to knock him around like that?
(Odin should come into this with a special t-shirt - "I b*tchslapped Thanos!" 😄
So Orion is on his own once Daddy is out, and his hands are full enough against Thor, so...Thor & Odin for the majority.
Originally posted by Allankles
I already addressed the force block feat above. You can't seriously make a legitimate argument angling for Odin strength > PG Thor based on that evidence.For one, the power levels of these things aren't known, they are plot devices like GL shields. In one instance a GL shield has some crazy cosmic level feat in the next they can't hold up against the physical blows of other high herald peers.
It's a vain task extrapolating patterns/consistency from such feats.
You just don't make strength comparisons over ambiguously powerful energy shields.
Your reason for disregarding the forceblock feat doesnt fly at all. Thanos forceblock attack was shown only once prior to the one used on Odin and that was on PG thor. Since that was the only appearance of the forceblock, thats all the evidence available to guage its powerlevel. There is nothing ambiguous about that. U cant generalize and equate the forceblock attack to GL shields which have up and down showings and subsequently claim that all forcefields are like that. Even then the showings of Gl shields vary most of the time depending on the amount of power the gl is putting into it, however by looking at the level they are most consistently portrayed at we can still guage the strength of the average gl shield. This is infact irrelevant in this case since we know it was the very same attack used on thor that was used Odin, and there was really no evidence of it being any weaker any of the times it was used. (Further its not logically coherent for thanos to use a weaker attack on a stronger opponenent.)
To seal this argument however, we simply need to look at thanos statement when he used the forceblock initially. Thanos mentions that he has been able to charge his weapon to use the forceblock once. From this we understand that there has to be a minimum charge (energy level) in order to use the forceblock attack at all. He met only this minimum requirement against PG thor and hence could only use the attack once. In the case of Odin, the same principle would apply. Hence thanos had to at least meet the minimum requirement(sufficient level of energy) in order to even use the forceblock attack the one time he did. In that sense therefore the attack isnt synonymous with a gl shield (or most other shields) and ur comparison is further shown to be faulty.
Originally posted by Allankles
But you're only looking at a few ambiguous feats, a force block doesn't have any set known power. You can't legitimately compare PG Thor's strength with Odin based on something so ambiguous, there'd be a lot of holes in that argument.
Originally posted by Allankles
Weren't DS physical blows rocking the solar system in one fight with Supes according to the heroes on Earth?
Originally posted by Allankles
What about the times he's physically man handled Superman?
Originally posted by Allankles
You see you're making a lot of assumptions based on indirect comparisons like a force block and fighting a giant serpent (a feat whose merits as a show of strength I can only believe on trust).
Originally posted by Allankles
And there's no reason for hyperbole like skyfather serpent, as DS is a skyfather at least himself.
He certainly doesn't have 'skyfather' level strength.
I guess I need to clarify on the 1st match. When I said "no powers" the intention was that the character can not use energy attacks/projectiles/amping abilities. They'd only have their personal base physical attributes. So, for example, Thor would still have his strength and agility, but Mjolnir and any other energy projection abilities wouldn't be available, and he couldn't use any attacks other than h2h.
Originally posted by Allankles
But you're only looking at a few ambiguous feats, a force block doesn't have any set known power. You can't legitimately compare PG Thor's strength with Odin based on something so ambiguous, there'd be a lot of holes in that argument.Weren't DS physical blows rocking the solar system in one fight with Supes according to the heroes on Earth?
What about the times he's physically man handled Superman? A being who has many a show of direct physical strength.
You see you're making a lot of assumptions based on indirect comparisons like a force block and fighting a giant serpent (a feat whose merits as a show of strength I can only believe on trust).
DS has more showings of base physical power and straight brawling without the use of esoteric powers, which is why I believe he beats Odin in scenario one. You can disagree, but that's my stance.
And there's no reason for hyperbole like skyfather serpent, as DS is a skyfather at least himself.
Yes thats true about the battle between him and Supes rocking the solar system, happened in Superman/Batman don't remember the number but I'll look for it sometime
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat? The point is you can't say written by so and so as a legitimate argument.
He's been written by many guys, and Superman is not even his average.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo, legion of 3 worlds cleaned it up. It's one alternate future. Gds doesn't happen for a long time if it does in this reality even. Read legion of three worlds five as they explain why everything can be considered in continuity and yet not occur. GDs happens in one alternate reality and hasn't happened yet thus not making it canon for current Ds.
Actually, GDS DS is canon post Zero Hour, post Foundations. I thought we've been through this before?And please focus, I already provided an answer to your question (and it was accurate). If you want to argue something else like WW vs current Ares or current Mordu vs SBP do it in another thread.
You want to hype and count futuristic feats that haven't even occurred yet. It's against the rules.
Originally posted by Enyalus
See Naija's argument.
I concede that argument, since we've been over all the points that can be made.
Naija, if you read this, I've conceded that argument.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He certainly doesn't have 'skyfather' level strength.
See that's the thing, I don't know what skyfather level strength is. It's the type of argument that lacks some perspective.
For example, what kind of strength do you think Superman has? I'd say more than enough strength to defeat giant gods, as Supergirl demonstrated by proxy when she held her own against a giant Granny Goodness.
See I don't think DS is lacking in strength if anything he has no issues in that department, it's his durability that yo yos from author to author.
Naija, if you read this, I've conceded that argument. And I think you missed my point about shields being plot devices. The ambiguity of the specific power of the shield should not be disputed. Because by definition it was ambiguous.
Lastly, by plot device I was referring to the giant role the shields were given in the first instance with PG Thor. They were a plot device in the sense that the authors goal - for Thanos to escape - was served by having the force block stop the assumed near unstoppable Thor.
I've read many a Thor fan in this and other sites talk about "character shielding" (where an author protects a character at the expense of fictional consistency) and PIS in reference to that incident. I have to say their opinions have some merit.