Originally posted by WarlordHe doesn't have any common sense and thinks Hal was just egging him on and will ignore the comic itself just for baby blue.
oh com on dude...If me and DduDE are pulling together something and I try to encourage him saying "pull harder" and he replies "I'm doing all i can" does that mean he's doing all the job??
this fight is hard to predict who wins can go either way. BA alone unamped is a tough oponent for supes but amped its going to be very hard.
However as alot of are dedicated superman lovers on the forums have pointed out =). SUperman has the most powerful natutal amp of any comicbook character in comics that i know of. His will power. this in combination with seeing his beloved lois murdered will send his power set through the roof.
Provided superman is in a blooodlusted state and is fighting like a mad man and is willing to kill BA then yes i think superman can pull some wins off. But to say BA stomps superman or Superman stomps BA is just fanboyism.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210The statement "We've got to pull the planet back into place" can be used figuratively as "We got to work together to get this thing done." Also someone may think they going to help pull before hand but when it's time to pull they figure their role is best served as creating and maintaining the harness.
Ahh! Another fanboy joins the fray!I guess:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/103/supermanmovesplanetfm9.jpg
"We've got to pull the planet back into place"
You know. We. Pull. Planet.
Not: I hold planet together. You pull.
Funny thing is, NONE of you have ANY proof that Hal wasn't providing any assistance with the pulling while I have multiple dialogue cues that prove it. Of COURSE, fanboys will desperately try to ignore it. Which is comedy gold.
Proving that someone can do something doesn't have to require showing that they actually did it. For example, if Superman lifts a 65ton tank then that proves he can lift a BMW, although Superman has never been shown to lift a BMW. So if Hal was helping with the pull then, assuming he was pulling with half the combined force, Superman was still exerting enough force to move a planet. How?
Because of the acceleration. If Superman accelerated the Earth 9.8m/s^2 then this is equivalent of exerting the weight of the Earth or moving a planet at that acceleration. But both Hal and Superman were accelerating the Earth more than 100 times more. Thus taking half of this, it was like Superman was moving more than 50 Earths by himself. So all in all, whether Superman had help or not the feat proved that Superman has the power to move planets by himself.
Originally posted by zeel
this fight is hard to predict who wins can go either way. BA alone unamped is a tough oponent for supes but amped its going to be very hard.However as alot of are dedicated superman lovers on the forums have pointed out =). SUperman has the most powerful natutal amp of any comicbook character in comics that i know of. His will power. this in combination with seeing his beloved lois murdered will send his power set through the roof.
Provided superman is in a blooodlusted state and is fighting like a mad man and is willing to kill BA then yes i think superman can pull some wins off. But to say BA stomps superman or Superman stomps BA is just fanboyism.
Assuming that they are equal both physically and skillfully then Superman wins due to having extra powers. HV can seriously damage BA as shown on panel. This is just one of the many extra powers Superman has over BA. There is no way for BA to win this. Superman starts off holding back, if he find himself losing then he releases the mental blocks and uses his extra powers ftw.
Originally posted by h1a8
The statement "We've got to pull the planet back into place" can be used figuratively as "We got to work together to get this thing done." Also someone may think they going to help pull before hand but when it's time to pull they figure their role is best served as creating and maintaining the harness.Proving that someone can do something doesn't have to require showing that they actually did it. For example, if Superman lifts a 65ton tank then that proves he can lift a BMW, although Superman has never been shown to lift a BMW. So if Hal was helping with the pull then, assuming he was pulling with half the combined force, Superman was still exerting enough force to move a planet. How?
LoL. Desperate argument as always.
SUUURE. FIGURATIVELY.
Except maybe this is a COMIC. The WRITER wanted to indicate that it was a joint feat. Thus, he inserted the comment/dialogue to indicate it. Otherwise, why bother specifying?
You HAVE ZERO. Count it: ZERO proof that it was used figuratively. And your attempts to make taffy out of the dialogue just to try and make up false interpretations is just plain embarrassing now.
Originally posted by h1a8
Because of the acceleration. If Superman accelerated the Earth 9.8m/s^2 then this is equivalent of exerting the weight of the Earth or moving a planet at that acceleration. But both Hal and Superman were accelerating the Earth more than 100 times more. Thus taking half of this, it was like Superman was moving more than 50 Earths by himself. So all in all, whether Superman had help or not the feat proved that Superman has the power to move planets by himself.
More BS computations from someone who can't read properly. LoL. An attempt to bog down the discussion into fake comic book physics computations. Classic h1a8 act of desperation.
Stop being a HYPOCRITE. ANY assistance in ANY feat invalidates it. Especially unquantifiable assistance. Your argument. Your words. Damn, you suck. Now you're contradicting your own logic.
You just fail. Why you even bother trying is beyond me.
You know? This debate is would have just been over if you just manned up when you made a READING mistake (w/c I'm sure you did) and thus an misinterpretation of the feat at hand.
Now, in your desperate attempt at TRYING to prove a point that never existed to begin with. You're sounding more and more FAIL.
Sad. So sad.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuspretty sure hal blatantly stating that only he and superman could pull it off ends the discussion.
I can see how people might come to the conclusion that Superman was the one mostly doing the pulling, but it being stated that Hal Jordan was adding his power to Superman's plus the other dialogue makes it somewhat inconclusive.H1n8's stupidity aside, Superman wins.
of all the times to slack off when you could have made a difference, hal chose the best one of all right? sound logic
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Again
LoL. Desperate argument as always.SUUURE. FIGURATIVELY.
Except maybe this is a COMIC. The WRITER wanted to indicate that it was a joint feat. Thus, he inserted the comment/dialogue to indicate it. Otherwise, why bother specifying?
You HAVE ZERO. Count it: ZERO proof that it was used figuratively. And your attempts to make taffy out of the dialogue just to try and make up false interpretations is just plain embarrassing now.
More BS computations from someone who can't read properly. LoL. An attempt to bog down the discussion into fake comic book physics computations. Classic h1a8 act of desperation.
Stop being a HYPOCRITE. ANY assistance in ANY feat invalidates it. Especially unquantifiable assistance. Your argument. Your words. Damn, you suck. Now you're contradicting your own logic.
You just fail. Why you even bother trying is beyond me.
You know? This debate is would have just been over if you just manned up when you made a READING mistake (w/c I'm sure you did) and thus an misinterpretation of the feat at hand.
Now, in your desperate attempt at TRYING to prove a point that never existed to begin with. You're sounding more and more FAIL.
Sad. So sad.
Because of the acceleration. If Superman accelerated the Earth 9.8m/s^2 then this is equivalent of exerting the weight of the Earth or moving a planet at that acceleration. But both Hal and Superman were accelerating the Earth more than 100 times more. Thus taking half of this, it was like Superman was moving more than 50 Earths by himself. So all in all, whether Superman had help or not the feat proved that Superman has the power to move planets by himself.
If Superman is stronger then he provided at least half the pulling force. Thus the feat is valid as proof of Superman being able to move a planet.
Originally posted by h1a8
AgainBecause of the acceleration. If Superman accelerated the Earth 9.8m/s^2 then this is equivalent of exerting the weight of the Earth or moving a planet at that acceleration. But both Hal and Superman were accelerating the Earth more than 100 times more. Thus taking half of this, it was like Superman was moving more than 50 Earths by himself. So all in all, whether Superman had help or not the feat proved that Superman has the power to move planets by himself.
If Superman is stronger then he provided at least half the pulling force. Thus the feat is valid as proof of Superman being able to move a planet.
Originally posted by h1a8
AgainBecause of the acceleration. If Superman accelerated the Earth 9.8m/s^2 then this is equivalent of exerting the weight of the Earth or moving a planet at that acceleration. But both Hal and Superman were accelerating the Earth more than 100 times more. Thus taking half of this, it was like Superman was moving more than 50 Earths by himself. So all in all, whether Superman had help or not the feat proved that Superman has the power to move planets by himself.
If Superman is stronger then he provided at least half the pulling force. Thus the feat is valid as proof of Superman being able to move a planet.
Again. Nice attempt at trying to bog down the debate. I already told you, I'm not gonna play your retarded math games when your argumentation already FAILED basic logic.
Going to your little physicsBS computation doesn't validate the feat.
Superman has never pulled a planet by himself is the argument here. And he never has based on the Starbreaker feat. Approximating a feat thru BS comicbookphysics computations notwithstanding. That's the bottom line.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Again. Nice attempt at trying to bog down the debate. I already told you, I'm not gonna play your retarded math games when your argumentation already FAILED basic logic.Going to your little "physics BS" computation doesn't validate the feat.
Superman has never pulled a planet by himself is the argument here. And he never has based on the Starbreaker feat. Approximating a feat thru BS comicbookphysics computation notwithstanding. That's the bottom line.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make the evidence invalid. Physics or not, if a feat can calculate the force needed then we can know how strong someone is. Remember the object here is to pretend these characters exist in reality or envision what will they do in reality. That is the whole point of comic debating.
How do you know Thor or anyone who is class 100 is actually class 100 without using ANY calculations? That's right you can't know.
Originally posted by h1a8
Just because you don't like it doesn't make the evidence invalid. Physics or not, if a feat can calculate the force needed then we can know how strong someone is. Remember the object here is to pretend these characters exist in reality or envision what will they do in reality. That is the whole point of comic debating.How do you know Thor or anyone who is class 100 is actually class 100 without using ANY calculations? That's right you can't.
Are you retarded or can't you understand basic english?
APPROXIMATING A FEAT DOESN'T VALIDATE A FEAT. We're not debating if he CAN. We're debating if he DID.
Let me spell it out for you again: by definition, Superman NEEDS to pull a planet unassisted for him to have pulled a planet unassisted. Makes sense to you? Here's it in math terms:
IF X=1 then X+X=/= 1. Get it now?
Based on your OWN WORDS:
Originally posted by h1a8
That is why I said my statement wasn't wrong. I said he didn't receive any pulling help.
This statement is wrong. He DID receive pulling help in that feat. And that's the what the debate was about. Man up already.
FAIL attempt at trying to redirect the debate away from your mounting logical failures, btw.
PS. If you haven't figured it out yet, the mathematical equation I posted above is completely meaningless. Much like all of yours.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210I think you failed in comprehension also. I already admitted it isn't clear one way or the other, which implies that my original statement is inaccurate. I was arguing that it is MORE believable that Hal didn't pull, not that he didn't. I also argued that Superman CAN. So I was arguing two things at the same time. Get it?
Are you retarded or can't you understand basic english?APPROXIMATING A FEAT DOESN'T VALIDATE A FEAT. We're not debating if he CAN. We're debating if he DID.
Let me spell it out for you again: by definition, Superman NEEDS to pull a planet unassisted for him to have pulled a planet unassisted. Makes sense to you? Here's it in math terms:
IF X=1 then X+X=/= 1. Get it now?
Originally posted by h1a8
I think you failed in comprehension also. I already admitted it isn't clear one way or the other, which implies that my original statement is inaccurate.
You really shouldn't be critizing other people's reading comprehension when you failed at understanding basic english inside a comic book.
The fact that you think "it isn't clear one way or another" means that your reading comprehension must be below that of a 9 year old.
Let me spell it out for you:
"We've got to pull the planet back into place"
We. Pull. Planet.
It's not:
"Hold the planet together. I'll pull it back into place"
Superman had pulling help. Clear as day. All your desperate and baseless: "OOOHH! It COULD have been used figuratively" BS notwithstanding.
And FYI, "I'll man up and admit I was wrong (Although I seriously don't believe I am)" is NOT admitting anything. It's more like a desperate copout borne out of humiliation. Saying the words and not meaning it removes whatever meaning an admission might have.
Originally posted by h1a8
I was arguing that it is MORE believable that Hal didn't pull, not that he didn't.
And it's more believable that you're a moron, not that you try to be (or do you?).
Originally posted by h1a8
I also argued that Superman CAN. So I was arguing two things at the same time. Get it?
No. What you were TRYING to do was to redirect the debate into another direction since you know how beaten your position was. THEN you TRY (and fail) to bog down the debate by turning it into a mathematical debate instead of a logical one.
It's your defense mechanism. I wouldn't be surprised if you're also curled up in a corner of your room with your teddy bear, crying and sucking your thumb.
Grow up. Noobie.
