Black Adam vs Superman

Originally posted by h1a8
Well I missed it. It still doesn't prove that GL helped in the pulling. Superman statement contradicts it when the feat is actually being done. Also the statement itself doesn't mean that GL WILL pull. For example, if me and my cousin have to pull something (like into the alley) then even if I plan to just support the object I can still say to him, "We got to pull this thing to the alley." without being wrong. It is a very common figure of speech used by nearly everyone.

Originally posted by Warlord
oh com on dude...If me and DduDE are pulling together something and I try to encourage him saying "pull harder" and he replies "I'm doing all i can" does that mean he's doing all the job??

No. But it can. I just added those arguments to my main one. Why didn't you comment on that one?

Originally posted by h1a8
The statement where Superman says, "I know I can feel it! It's as if Starbreaker's pull was growing stronger somehow!"

This implies Superman doing the pulling alone. Otherwise Superman couldn't feel Starbreaker's pull growing stronger.

the fact that Superman feels the pull means he's pulling alone?
really?
Hal could feel it too but didn't feel like comenting or doesn't feel it at all because he is using a constuct to pull and not direct physical contact.

there u go...

Originally posted by h1a8
The statement where Superman says, "I know I can feel it! It's as if Starbreaker's pull was growing stronger somehow!"

This implies Superman doing the pulling alone. Otherwise Superman couldn't feel Starbreaker's pull growing stronger.

Before that Hall say's, "Pull Harder, Superman!." That means Superman is the one doing the pulling.

Later Superman say's, "[b]I'm giving this everything I've got..." [/B]

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Fail logic. Fail argument.

We know you won't ever man up. It's just funny how embarrassing your argument has become. Keep it up, it's really making my day.

Man up already and spare yourself all this embarassment.

OR not. It's good for a few laughs.

It isn't clear in any way that Hal did any of the pulling. I doesn't even look like it in the panel. At worst I at least proved that it isn't clear and that it is more believable that Superman did the pulling while Hal used his power to create and hold the harness together (prevent it from breaking). It's logically impossible to feel the exact force Starbreaker is pulling with if Superman isn't pulling alone.

To end this, I'll man up and admit I was wrong (Although I seriously don't believe I am). With that said, Superman never moved a planet without help. He just has feats that's above 50 Earth weights of force.

don't try so hard dude...use the infinite page book...what is a planet compared to thay 💃

Originally posted by h1a8
It isn't clear in any way that Hal did any of the pulling.

Yes it is. Construct+past feats+dialogue proves you wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
I doesn't even look like it in the panel. At worst I at least proved that it isn't clear and that it is more believable that Superman did the pulling while Hal used his power to create and hold the harness together (prevent it from breaking). It's logically impossible to feel the exact force Starbreaker is pulling with if Superman isn't pulling alone.

You only "proved that it isn't clear" in your biased, unaccepting eyes. Everyone else seems to be able to understand that all the evidence points to it. Black and white. Clear as day.

Originally posted by h1a8
To end this, I'll man up and admit I was wrong (Although I seriously don't believe I am).

Classic h1a8. You spit out an "acceptance" with a full denial all in the same sentence. You never man up.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Yes it is. Construct+past feats+dialogue proves you wrong.

You only "proved that it isn't clear" in your biased, unaccepting eyes. Everyone else seems to be able to understand that all the evidence points to it. Black and white. Clear as day.

Classic h1a8. You spit out an "acceptance" with a full denial all in the same sentence. You never man up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Contruct doesn't prove he pulled. Although the past has no bearing on the future in general, no past feat had him pulling the Earth with that construct.

Sigh. The -combination- of the DIALOGUE, construct and past feats make it so. Sheesh. Think for 10 seconds please.

Originally posted by h1a8
How can it be clear that Hal pulled when it isn't. Your logic sucks. A truly objective person could clearly see that it isn't clear. Superman statement contradicts it. Why would the writer have Superman say contradictory things? Superman felt the exact force Starbreaker was exerting. You can't do this if someone is assisting in the pulling.

MY LOGIC SUCKS??? Your argument is that "it's a figure of speech".

A TRULY OBJECTIVE PERSON??? You talking about yourself?!?! OH THE IRONY!!!!

I guess to you:

"I know I can feel it! It's as if Starbreaker's pull was growing stronger somehow!"

Seems to provide more proof of whether he had PULLING HELP than:

"We've got to pull the planet back into place."

HAHAHAH. LOLOLOL.

You sir, just elevated stupidity into an art form. I take my hat off to you!

Originally posted by h1a8
I admitted just to end the moot argument. All that matters to me is that Superman exerted more than 50 Earth weights of force (even if he was being assisted in the pulling part). With all my heart I believe Hal didn't pull but held the construct together (it was cracking). The pictures are clearer to him not pulling as well as Superman's statement.

OUR debate was -never- about the 50 Earth weights of force or any such feats please stop trying to insert. It was about you being wrong about Superman pulling planets without help. I proved you wrong and you're just too much of an ignorant, arrogant noob to admit how wrong you were.

Which takes me to this little claim you made some time back:

Originally posted by h1a8
Trust me, I'm a very humble person, more humble than anyone of this forum. Some of the best posters (Darthgoober, etc.) have convinced me and made me sway in the other direction. I have changed my opinions here many times and have admitted to it. I'm only stubborn when someone isn't providing me a good argument that convinces me of my so called delusions.

Just more BS that you spit out, I guess.

And as for this little fail argumentation of yours:

Originally posted by h1a8
Why would the writer have Superman say contradictory things? Superman felt the exact force Starbreaker was exerting. You can't do this if someone is assisting in the pulling.

"I know I can feel it! It's as if Starbreaker's pull was growing stronger somehow!"

Could (and MOST probably) mean that he was -feeling- that the pull Starbreaker was exerting was simply INCREASING and -thus- he commented on the pull getting stronger. There was NEVER an indication that he knew the EXACT force Starbreaker was exerting.

And YES you CAN FEEL something's force increasing even if someone was helping you pull.

Kinda like being in a tug of war. If the other team is pulling harder, you'll FEEL their pull getting stronger even with other ppl helping you. Sheesh. Think a bit before posting please. You say you have a minor in physics?? How'd you pass high school?

Noob.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

Originally posted by h1a8
It isn't clear in any way that Hal did any of the pulling. I doesn't even look like it in the panel.

"Just add your power to mine, Hal-- and lets do this crazy thing." makes it pretty clear.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
And as for this little fail argumentation of yours:

"I know I can feel it! It's as if Starbreaker's pull was growing stronger somehow!"

Could (and MOST probably) mean that he was -feeling- that the pull Starbreaker was exerting was simply INCREASING and -thus- he commented on the pull getting stronger. There was NEVER an indication that he knew the EXACT force Starbreaker was exerting.

And YES you CAN FEEL something's force increasing even if someone was helping you pull.

Originally posted by cdtm
"Just add your power to mine, Hal-- and lets do this crazy thing." makes it pretty clear.

Originally posted by h1a8
Add your power to mine could mean you create the harness and i'll do the pulling.

Thats the way I read it as well. To me it makes perfect sense since its taking all of Hals strength to keep the construct from breaking under the two opposing forces. That along with how Hal is depicted standing on top of construct rather than pulling which is usually the case.

Even at its base, if Starbreaker used only one earth mass worth of power to move it then it would take also one earth mass worth to stalemate it.Since they were actually winning the tug contest thats at least one more earth mass worth of power. If you give each 50/50 then thats one earth moving feat each at its minimal.

Originally posted by -Pr-
WW3 Adam had an amp.

no....not unless i missed something.....he most certainly was not amped.....just pissed off

Originally posted by h1a8
You can't feel someone's pull getting stronger if you are pulling with someone else. You wouldn't know if they are pulling stronger or your partner is getting weaker.

Yes, you can, moron. I just gave you an example. And YES, you wouldn't know if they are pulling harder or your partner is getting weaker. All you'd know is relative to YOUR observation:

"It's as IF the pull was getting stronger, somehow."

Same tug-of-war example. If your partners were exerting less effort, you'd NOTICE the pull of the other side getting stronger more than you'd notice your teammates pull getting weaker.

Do you NEED everything spelled out for you??? Wow. This from MR. PHYSICSAUTHORITAH!!!

Originally posted by paisapower
Thats the way I read it as well. To me it makes perfect sense since its taking all of Hals strength to keep the construct from breaking under the two opposing forces. That along with how Hal is depicted standing on top of construct rather than pulling which is usually the case.

Even at its base, if Starbreaker used only one earth mass worth of power to move it then it would take also one earth mass worth to stalemate it.Since they were actually winning the tug contest thats at least one more earth mass worth of power. If you give each 50/50 then thats one earth moving feat each at its minimal.

Hm... went thru your other posts. Similar referenced feats. Similar posting language used...

Sock?

I interpreted the event as Hal providing the leverage to pull the body while Superman provided the muscle. No different that a horse pulling a carriage. The harness is doing alot of work by keeping the horse connected to the weight of the carriage. A durabilty and stamina feat for the harness. Hal was the harness and Superman was the Horse. Clearly Superman was doing the pulling but Hal was weathering the strain of keeping it all together.

I can see how people might come to the conclusion that Superman was the one mostly doing the pulling, but it being stated that Hal Jordan was adding his power to Superman's plus the other dialogue makes it somewhat inconclusive.

H1n8's stupidity aside, Superman wins.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
I interpreted the event as Hal providing the leverage to pull the body while Superman provided the muscle. No different that a horse pulling a carriage. The harness is doing alot of work by keeping the horse connected to the weight of the carriage. A durabilty and stamina feat for the harness. Hal was the harness and Superman was the Horse. Clearly Superman was doing the pulling but Hal was weathering the strain of keeping it all together.

Ahh! Another fanboy joins the fray!

I guess:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/103/supermanmovesplanetfm9.jpg

"We've got to pull the planet back into place"

You know. We. Pull. Planet.

Not: I hold planet together. You pull.

Funny thing is, NONE of you have ANY proof that Hal wasn't providing any assistance with the pulling while I have multiple dialogue cues that prove it. Of COURSE, fanboys will desperately try to ignore it. Which is comedy gold.

But yeah, I guess fanboyism overwrites common sense in some people.

Go ahead. Try and prove your point. It's all TOO funny.

Bottom line: Superman had help thus the feat is inconclusive AND nonviable as a planet pulling feat.

Thus, Superman has no planet pulling feats (unless you can provide another feat other than the Starbreaker one).