Black Adam vs Superman

Originally posted by ghhg
what stats? its a f^ckin card game you f^ckin moron its a card game wake up idiot its not a valid bio or anything close to it

1. It's a pen and paper RPG dipshit. On that virtue alone, you aren't going to find a point by point break down of stats as meticulous as that handbook.

2. You can debate canon all you want, it represents comic stats as accurately as possible based on the portrayals and the bios themselves describe each character up to the status quo quite accurately, even mentioning other continuities/universes as an aside.

3. The main stats are out of 20. They could have given Cap a single point lower on strength, than Superman, and he still would've looked good. They didn't. Instead they gave him exactly equivalent strength. Hell, even Darkseid is given a point lower strength than Superman, and based on how decisively Clark has been beating Darkseid as of late, it isn't surprising that they would. (They've given Darkseid greater durability though, which is fair)

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
1. stop bashing
2. its been stated in comics also, this is something no superman fan will ever accept, to i dont expect you to

It was said that Black Adam hit harder than Marvel on one occasion, but that doesn't mean much, as Marvel holds back all the time. It also happened to be Superman suggesting it, at the time they were throwing punches at each-other with the force of 'small bombs' by the narration[clearly neither one going into their upper levels, dissolving the belief that he is actually hitting harder than Marvel], that fight ended with Superman ramping it up and nearly hitting Adam with a punch that would have 'cracked the moon in half'.

If you want to pull out card game stats, we can pull out the old DCU Card Game and it'll show Superman somewhere around 16 times [or more] stronger than Adam and Marvel and Manhunter. But that doesn't mean shit either.

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Originally posted by Juntai
It's never been stated in comics that Adam is more powerful than Superman.

It was said that Black Adam hit harder than Marvel on one occasion, but that doesn't mean much, as Marvel holds back all the time. It also happened to be Superman suggesting it, at the time they were throwing punches at each-other with the force of 'small bombs' by the narration[clearly neither one going into their upper levels, dissolving the belief that he is actually hitting harder than Marvel], that fight ended with Superman ramping it up and nearly hitting Adam with a punch that would have 'cracked the moon in half'.

If you want to pull out card game stats, we can pull out the old DCU Card Game and it'll show Superman somewhere around 16 times [or more] stronger than Adam and Marvel and Manhunter. But that doesn't mean shit either.

theres other stuff im refering to that im looking for

Originally posted by ghhg
what an idiot and somehow some card game that drags its info from bios not from actual comics and feats but from f^ckin bios is valid? GTFO of here moron

Hey. You invalid.

In case you somehow didn't comprehend, it DOES get its info from displays in the comics.

It's not some shitty amalgamation of some random bios all over, it's a more in-depth portrayal of the characters than you're going to find in some shitty bio on the web anywhere.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
1. It's a pen and paper RPG dipshit. On that virtue alone, you aren't going to find a point by point break down of stats as meticulous as that handbook.

2. You can debate canon all you want, it represents comic stats as accurately as possible based on the portrayals and the bios themselves describe each character up to the status quo quite accurately, even mentioning other continuities/universes as an aside.

3. The main stats are out of 20. They could have given Cap a single point lower on strength, than Superman, and he still would've looked good. They didn't. Instead they gave him exactly equivalent strength. Hell, even Darkseid is given a point lower strength than Superman, and based on how decisively Clark has been beating Darkseid as of late, it isn't surprising that they would. (They've given Darkseid greater durability though, which is fair)

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No handbook can be taken as canon when discussing actual power levels. It can be a helping hand, sure, but we've already seen enough inconsistency with them in the past to just not see them as being reliable, never mind the final word.

they're never going to take precedence over actual comics, but i don't see a problem if people want to use them as an assist...

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lol at using handbooks to determine the winner. Superman 7/10, he has destroyed people beyond adam in this type of rage, just ask Darkseid. Give superman a sundip, strip his moral code and tell him luthor killed lois, he would simply break the planet in half not fight some bunch of heroes like adam did in 52.

Adam is one of the few heralds who can directly, dangerously challenge Superman to the point of almost beating him for a majority, but I believe Superman simply has more in the tank, and that if he really pushed himself, he'd take the win more often than not.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Adam is one of the few heralds who cant directly, dangerously challenge Superman to the point of almost beating him for a majority, but I believe Superman simply has more in the tank, and that if he really pushed himself, he'd take the win more often than not.

Great post. IMO... Superman wins...I don't know how he will win but I give him the majority. Quick question for the Adam experts. Has he ever been koed?

Black Adam, in pc or silver age the writers portrayed him superior to captain marvel and superman

Adam's strength is generally depicted of being on levels equal to those of Superman and Captain Marvel, though some writers have portrayed his strength as possibly outmatching them; on at least one occasion, he has been able to successfully hold his own against both

One of Clark's basic weaknesses just happens to be the very source of Adam's power. Hell, even without the handicap, this fight would go down to the wire. However, as it stands, Black Adam takes a comfortable majority.

Originally posted by carver9
Great post. IMO... Superman wins...I don't know how he will win but I give him the majority. Quick question for the Adam experts. Has he ever been koed?

Being stronger, faster, more durable and having more ranged attacks?

And yes, though it's rare. Like it is for any herald.

Stronger no, faster yes , more durable maybe but adam can take more punishmemt

And amped magical fist, shazams lightning can tag flash it can definitly tag superman

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Supes
http://img215.imageshack.us/i/supesstats.png/

Cap
http://img203.imageshack.us/i/capstats.png/

Adam
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1108/adamstats.png

Supes and Cap are both Powerlevel 15 characters, not exactly sure what that means yet tbh. Adam is 16. J'onn and Dianna are both 14.

The main stats seem to be out of 20. There is a big difference between a 19 strength and a 20 strength. 20 is supposed to be cosmic level.

When did this thread turn into an RPG thread?

Originally posted by killer_creed
One of Clark's basic weaknesses just happens to be the very source of Adam's power. Hell, even without the handicap, this fight would go down to the wire. However, as it stands, Black Adam takes a comfortable majority.