Black Adam vs Superman

Originally posted by -Pr-
he still has super dense skin. it isn't just the aura.

I agree, he still does take some of the punches BUT his durability would be lacking compared to black adams due to black adam punches being more affecting on him.

By the way, here are the scans and some extras that I want to include.

Here we have supes ADMITTING (dont care what you say, supes was going all out) that he doesnt need to hold back against adam and still gets treated like a child from a adam that isnt even trying to fight him.

http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=c39ea_bavssuperman3.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=55c0f_bavssuperman4.jpg
http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=471af_bavssuperman5.jpg

Here we actually have a statement on how fast adam was running whereas the only statement that has been brought up about superman in running speed in a comic is 2000mps (his race with flash). Black adam was going mach 500

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=eb1fd_flash4.jpg

Here we have adam ripping amazo head off after a long fight and lets not even mention what amazo did to the entire jla.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/480/0004xpfwir7.jpg

Here we have a horseman/Scientist depict adam as the most power man on the face of the planet.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadampower.jpg

The four horsemen compare supes and adams power and basically state that adam is more powerful.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadamstrongerthansuperman.jpg

Here we have supes sharing bodies with captain marvel and from supes own mouth he states that he never felt power like that before; he's amazed at captain marvel power and lets not forget Adam>Cap marvel.

http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4

Raoul, you seen most of this because we debated on this before.

Here we have a horseman/Scientist depict adam as the most power man on the face of the planet.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...ckadampower.jpg

He said as ONE OF the most powerful men, not THE MOST powerful man.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He said as ONE OF the most powerful men, not THE MOST powerful man.

Just read it and you're right.

Regular BA can beat supes but its a very close fight. WW3 BA IMO takes a clear majority.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he still does take some of the punches BUT his durability would be lacking compared to black adams due to black adam punches being more affecting on him.

eventually yes.

Here we have supes ADMITTING (dont care what you say, supes was going all out) that he doesnt need to hold back against adam and still gets treated like a child from a adam that isnt even trying to fight him.

http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=c39ea_bavssuperman3.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=55c0f_bavssuperman4.jpg
http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=471af_bavssuperman5.jpg

that in no way implies that adam is better than supes. he's still being hurt by superman's punches.

Here we actually have a statement on how fast adam was running whereas the only statement that has been brought up about superman in running speed in a comic is 2000mps (his race with flash). Black adam was going mach 500

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=eb1fd_flash4.jpg

the flash comic says OVER 2000mps.

and what bearing does that have on the fight anyways?

Here we have adam ripping amazo head off after a long fight and lets not even mention what amazo did to the entire jla.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/480/0004xpfwir7.jpg

he's not the first person to beat amazo when the entire league couldn't do it.

Here we have a horseman/Scientist depict adam as the most power man on the face of the planet.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadampower.jpg

in his opinion. also, what wei said.

The four horsemen compare supes and adams power and basically state that adam is more powerful.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadamstrongerthansuperman.jpg

i wonder if they took in to account that superman was weakened during that arc. no?

Here we have supes sharing bodies with captain marvel and from supes own mouth he states that he never felt power like that before; he's amazed at captain marvel power and lets not forget Adam>Cap marvel.

http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4

he never felt power like that before. good for him. how does that matter? he'd never been possessed by someone with godly power, so it's new to him.

adam>marvel simply because of a couple of panels in jsa? hardly.

for years they've been written as relative equals.

Raoul, you seen most of this because we debated on this before.

i honestly don't recall you ever posting them before.

Originally posted by carver9

Here we have a horseman/Scientist depict adam as the most power man on the face of the planet.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadampower.jpg

It states that he is one of the most powerful man on the planet. That is a big difference then the most powerful man on the planet

eventually yes

So why wouldnt you give adam a majority? A character that is physically supes equal with an edge in this fight.

Go back over what supes said about captain marvel in Superman/Batman. He implied that physically they're equals but cap has the advantage in a toe to toe fight.

that in no way implies that adam is better than supes. he's still being hurt by superman's punches.

I never said that it implied that he wont be hurt by superman punches but if you look at adam showing against a Superman that wasnt pulling his punches he looked like it didnt even tickle him.

the flash comic says OVER 2000mps.

I know the flash comic said over 2000mps but thats the only thing that we have to base superman running speed off of (along with a bio that I posted of supes last year 😉 )

and what bearing does that have on the fight anyways?

The bearing that it has is that its a possibility that Black adam could be faster.

Didnt flash fight amazo in the beginning going mach 1 and none of the jla that was there witnessed it? 😕

in his opinion. also, what wei said.

Not his opinion but the writers opinion and the guy was a scientist, I'm pretty sure he knew of superman and his powers.

i wonder if they took in to account that superman was weakened during that arc. no?

Prove to me that superman was weakened because to my knowledge he wasnt. Just accept it and stop throwing everything out of the window because you dont like it.

he never felt power like that before. good for him. how does that matter? he'd never been possessed by someone with godly power, so it's new to him.

Usually when someone say that they never felt power like that before thats a clear indication that character (A) is more powerful than character (B). Superman was in shock, studdering when he said that about caps power. Again, stop throwing things out of the window because you dont like it.

Originally posted by carver9
So why wouldnt you give adam a majority? A character that is physically supes equal with an edge in this fight.

You realze that whole thing made no sense. He claimed hawkman had an edge of batman yet marvel didnt have an even bigger edge. He though batman would be more likly to beat marvel then himself.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
It states that he is one of the most powerful man on the planet. That is a big difference then the most powerful man on the planet

Read my above statement, I admitted to it when wei brought it up. 😠

Originally posted by jalek moye
You realze that whole thing made no sense. He claimed hawkman had an edge of batman yet marvel didnt have an even bigger edge. He though batman would be more likly to beat marvel then himself.

He never implied that batman could beat marvel, he just needed batman for assistance against captain marvel (which was pis) and THEN he tackled hawkman.

The point of the battle and supes statements was that he couldnt take cap one on one by himself because honestly, he cant.

Originally posted by carver9
So why wouldnt you give adam a majority? A character that is physically supes equal with an edge in this fight.

because superman has more than strength at his disposal. and, i think when he decides to really cut loose, adam won't have an answer for it.

Go back over what supes said about captain marvel in Superman/Batman. He implied that physically they're equals but cap has the advantage in a toe to toe fight.

yes, a toe to toe punch up. he's not the hulk/

I never said that it implied that he wont be hurt by superman punches but if you look at adam showing against a Superman that wasnt pulling his punches he looked like it didnt even tickle him.

😂

come on now, don't be silly.

I know the flash comic said over 2000mps but thats the only thing that we have to base superman running speed off of (along with a bio that I posted of supes last year 😉 )

bio isn't usable and you know it, as it has no factual basis.

also, why run when you can fly?

The bearing that it has is that its a possibility that Black adam could be faster.

proof? or any kind of superior reaction or flight speed? without that, then no, it's no indication at all.

Didnt flash fight amazo in the beginning going mach 1 and none of the jla that was there witnessed it? 😕

we don't know what powers the amazo that fought adam had, as it's powers are constantly shifting. you can't claim it's the same amazo that beat the jla by itself.

Not his opinion but the writers opinion and the guy was a scientist, I'm pretty sure he knew of superman and his powers.

no, he wouldn't. the only scientists who know even the slightest information about superman work at star labs. superman doesn't go around sharing his biological secrets.

Prove to me that superman was weakened because to my knowledge he wasnt. Just accept it and stop throwing everything out of the window because you dont like it.

don't bloody start.

superman was weakened because he got bit on the arm by a zombie. it's shown on panel.

i'm not the one twisting shit to suit my agenda. you are.

Usually when someone say that they never felt power like that before thats a clear indication that character (A) is more powerful than character (B). Superman was in shock, studdering when he said that about caps power. Again, stop throwing things out of the window because you dont like it.

i'm not, so stop accusing me of it.

superman isn't a magical being. simple as that. he'd never felt anything like that before because he'd never been possessed by marvel before. simple as that. you want to show adam is superior? then show it. stop using scans that are ambiguous at best to support what's essentially a weak argument.

Rauol, not trying to be mean but you're making things kind of difficult today.

because superman has more than strength at his disposal. and, i think when he decides to really cut loose, adam won't have an answer for it.

So basically in that fight, you're going against supermans own word when he stated that he can cut lose against adam? What does it take for you to know that he's not holding back, him actually DEFEATING black adam?

By the way, I dont know where you're coming up with the argument that superman is stronger than adam. Adam has proof and fights that puts him on supes level of strength.

yes, a toe to toe punch up. he's not the hulk/

What do you think a fight against black will turn into? Just that, a toe to toe punch out and since Adams fist is dipped in magic its pretty much common sense that adam would maintain a edge in this fight. Superman has brushed off swords, knives, axes ninja stars, some of the most powerful weapons in dcu but he got hit by wonder womans tier across the throat which is also dipped in magic and it cut him like it was nothing.

Supes bio forcefield aint crap when its hit by magic.

😂

Not saying that he didnt feel superman punches, just saying that adams damage soak could be up there with thors, brush physical attacks off from equals like it aint nothing.

bio isn't usable and you know it, as it has no factual basis.

I know bio's isnt useable thats why I put the smiley but again the only on panel proof of supes running speed is in on comic, the rest is just a guess or fan fiction.

proof? or any kind of superior reaction or flight speed? without that, then no, it's no indication at all.

One thing of proof that I can think of that comes to mind is when black adam and jay garrick was fighting so that everyone around them were statues. Does superman have something comparable (not saying that he couldnt)?

superman was weakened because he got bit on the arm by a zombie. it's shown on panel.

Not trying to get to you rauol (I think this is rauol) but do you have any proof of this and I'm pretty sure that the horsemen had knowledge of superman while making that statement.

superman isn't a magical being. simple as that. he'd never felt anything like that before because he'd never been possessed by marvel before

So since wonder woman is a magical being superman would be amazed by her power also? 😕

That doesnt make sense raoul.

Originally posted by carver9
Read my above statement, I admitted to it when wei brought it up. 😠

LOL sorry i am at work, that post was not there when i did it.

😛

Originally posted by -Pr-
it is a valid point, i don't think anyone could deny that. at the same time, we have to use both feats and common sense in debates. you can't use one and not the other.

i never said it proves it, but to me, having seen Superman push himself further, imo that's enough for him to beat Adam. besides, its not like he's never fought magical beings before.

Originally posted by carver9
Rauol, not trying to be mean but you're making things kind of difficult today.

you're not making this much of a picnic either.

So basically in that fight, you're going against supermans own word when he stated that he can cut lose against adam? What does it take for you to know that he's not holding back, him actually DEFEATING black adam?

no, i'm not going against superman's word. at all. he didn't hold back his strength.

By the way, I dont know where you're coming up with the argument that superman is stronger than adam. Adam has proof and fights that puts him on supes level of strength.

did i say otherwise?

What do you think a fight against black will turn into? Just that, a toe to toe punch out and since Adams fist is dipped in magic its pretty much common sense that adam would maintain a edge in this fight. Superman has brushed off swords, knives, axes ninja stars, some of the most powerful weapons in dcu but he got hit by wonder womans tier across the throat which is also dipped in magic and it cut him like it was nothing.

what proof do you have that it would come down to a punch up? the rules of the fight state that both men are out for blood. fair goes out the window when superman gets that mad.

does black adam wear a tiara now?

Supes bio forcefield aint crap when its hit by magic.

but his super dense skin protects him plenty.

Not saying that he didnt feel superman punches, just saying that adams damage soak could be up there with thors, brush physical attacks off from equals like it aint nothing.

if you have proof of it, then post it, because it's not in that fight. they both give as good as they get.

I know bio's isnt useable thats why I put the smiley but again the only on panel proof of supes running speed is in on comic, the rest is just a guess or fan fiction.

why does his running speed matter that much? he has faster flight and combat speed feats than adam.

One thing of proof that I can think of that comes to mind is when black adam and jay garrick was fighting so that everyone around them were statues. Does superman have something comparable (not saying that he couldnt)?

you're kidding. of course he does. i thought you read superman.

Not trying to get to you rauol (I think this is rauol) but do you have any proof of this and I'm pretty sure that the horsemen had knowledge of superman while making that statement.

yes. its me.

why are you so sure? i'm genuinely asking.

So since wonder woman is a magical being superman would be amazed by her power also? 😕

That doesnt make sense raoul.

it does when you consider the fact that magic is to superman what it is to anyone else who isn't magically empowered. adam, billy, diana, they all get their powers from gods. that's unlike anything clark has ever experienced.

so yes, if diana possessed supes (eww), then he would be impressed by the power flowing within her.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok. I am just saying that two characters so close in terms of durability, striking power it seems would come down to ferocity and the magical weakness thing. Black adam will be trying to ko him from the first punch while superman usually won't be.

the op states that adam killed lois, or at least superman thinks he did. he has no reason to play fair. plus, superman is more than capable of taking a beating from people on his level and still having the ability to turn it around...

From now on every time Carver durs it up he gets a warning. Every time Carver gets warned so does Quan. sneer

durbeware

Originally posted by -Pr-
you're not making this much of a picnic either.

no, i'm not going against superman's word. at all. he didn't hold back his strength.

did i say otherwise?

what proof do you have that it would come down to a punch up? the rules of the fight state that both men are out for blood. fair goes out the window when superman gets that mad.

does black adam wear a tiara now?

but his super dense skin protects him plenty.

if you have proof of it, then post it, because it's not in that fight. they both give as good as they get.

why does his running speed matter that much? he has faster flight and combat speed feats than adam.

you're kidding. of course he does. i thought you read superman.

yes. its me.

why are you so sure? i'm genuinely asking.

it does when you consider the fact that magic is to superman what it is to anyone else who isn't magically empowered. adam, billy, diana, they all get their powers from gods. that's unlike anything clark has ever experienced.

so yes, if diana possessed supes (eww), then he would be impressed by the power flowing within her.

the op states that adam killed lois, or at least superman thinks he did. he has no reason to play fair. plus, superman is more than capable of taking a beating from people on his level and still having the ability to turn it around...

Supermasn running speed

is 2000 miles per sec
120,000 miles per min
7,200,000 miles per hour divided by 770 mph (speed of sound)

now that is mach 9350

Sm foot speed is quick !

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he still does take some of the punches BUT his durability would be lacking compared to black adams due to black adam punches being more affecting on him.

By the way, here are the scans and some extras that I want to include.

Here we have supes ADMITTING (dont care what you say, supes was going all out) that he doesnt need to hold back against adam and still gets treated like a child from a adam that isnt even trying to fight him.

http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=c39ea_bavssuperman3.jpg
http://img20.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=55c0f_bavssuperman4.jpg
http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=471af_bavssuperman5.jpg

Here we actually have a statement on how fast adam was running whereas the only statement that has been brought up about superman in running speed in a comic is 2000mps (his race with flash). Black adam was going mach 500

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=eb1fd_flash4.jpg

Here we have adam ripping amazo head off after a long fight and lets not even mention what amazo did to the entire jla.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/480/0004xpfwir7.jpg

Here we have a horseman/Scientist depict adam as the most power man on the face of the planet.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadampower.jpg

The four horsemen compare supes and adams power and basically state that adam is more powerful.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadamstrongerthansuperman.jpg

Here we have supes sharing bodies with captain marvel and from supes own mouth he states that he never felt power like that before; he's amazed at captain marvel power and lets not forget Adam>Cap marvel.

http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007paw2
http://pics.livejournal.com/jeanne_dark/pic/0007q8q4

Raoul, you seen most of this because we debated on this before.

Black Adam was said to be 'one of' the most powerful-
This also happened to be during the period there was no Superman or Wonder Woman.

2000mps is faster than mach 500.

Black Adam backed down from the fight against Superman.
Not holding back, because Adam can take the blows, and going all out, are different. When Supes said he was going to end it, Adam stepped down. It was pretty non-fight however though.

In the scan of Superman/Captain Marvel, Marvel says it's Superman's contribution that makes it that powerful.

Keep trying.
🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, so this makes him in the same state of mind he was in against WW. I think he'll fight sloppier.

i disagree, tbh. i don't think he'll be in that same state, because Maxwell Lord put him in that state.