Originally posted by XanatosForever
My statement still holds, as Sonic does not simply rush forward head-first during a homing attack, but is once again in ball form, spinning rapidly.
The homing attack doesn't take the speed a spin dash needs, there's no warm up at all, just jump, curl up and home in. There's little spinning.
There's a quite a bit of spin leading to a homing attack, actually. Certainly not as much as a Spin Dash, but it's there. I don't know how canon the requirement of Sonic jumping before Homing is, but in all instances I have ever seen the Homing attack used, he is spinning before he makes contact, and significantly.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wait, how is Sonic going to BFR Mario? If he tries to grab him he's walked into Mario's hands.Also, Sonic can't get out from under a castle beforee it falls less then a foot, Mario's not much bigger than Sonic.
Not sure you realise just how fast hyper sonic is, and I'm merely being kind and using hyper rather than the speed of light (Which he's stated able to attain) The castle could be falling and Sonic be in the middle beneath it and it wouldn't take him a second to move out of the way.
Besides, Sonic walked of re-entry. He's impacting Earth at a force of 25 mach or more. Damageing him won't be so easy.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sonic would have to throw Mario really far... and then Mario coudl just come back.. but if he grabbed onto Mario, and Mario grabbed back, Mario would crush him. And if Sonci kept doign this to try and BFR Mario, Mario would catch on. 😐
No he can't come back if he's BFR'd. That's the end of the match.
Mario doesn't have the reaction time to grab him right after Sonic grabbed him and threw him.
Catch on? Yeah he would know he was trying to BFR him but there wouldn't be much he could do about it. You could catch on that I was shooting a gun at you, but you wouldn't be able to dodge accordingly and weave past the bullets even if you knew I was going to fire.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No he can't come back if he's BFR'd. That's the end of the match.Mario doesn't have the reaction time to grab him right after Sonic grabbed him and threw him.
Catch on? Yeah he would know he was trying to BFR him but there wouldn't be much he could do about it. You could catch on that I was shooting a gun at you, but you wouldn't be able to dodge accordingly and weave past the bullets even if you knew I was going to fire.
Kinda like how Hulk threw Wolverine over that mountain. Wolverine may not have died, but he was defeated.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverI agree with this. At the very least, the Homing Attack uses equivalent spin as a spin jump, if not more. I'm not sure where the notion came from that Sonic head-butts robots. We rarely see this. On the other hand, we almost always see him spinning through robots.
There's a quite a bit of spin leading to a homing attack, actually. Certainly not as much as a Spin Dash, but it's there. I don't know how canon the requirement of Sonic jumping before Homing is, but in all instances I have ever seen the Homing attack used, he is spinning before he makes contact, and significantly.
I want to return to the 'Mario lifting a castle' thing, mostly because I want to make sure everyone (including me), clearly understands it. First, is this the castle-lifting feat we're talking about at 2:30:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMB3QbH2CQ4&feature=related
Is that the one, or is there another that is being referred to here?
I see; so both ScreamPaste and MooCowJustice are Nintendo fanboys.
The castle-lift "feat" is not to be taken seriously. Does that mean Mario has a castle-wiper too? Can Mario survive a castle explosion yet die when attacked by a turtle?
Sonic would wipe the floor with Mario, Link, and Sephiroth at the same time.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I see; so both ScreamPaste and MooCowJustice are Nintendo fanboys.The castle-lift "feat" is not to be taken seriously. Does that mean Mario has a castle-wiper too? Can Mario survive a castle explosion yet die when attacked by a turtle?
Sonic would wipe the floor with Mario, Link, and Sephiroth at the same time.
What it means is that mountains need bandaid ✅ Just like how it means that Bowser is a lot more heavy than a castle.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
I agree with this. At the very least, the Homing Attack uses equivalent spin as a spin jump, if not more. I'm not sure where the notion came from that Sonic head-butts robots. We rarely see this. On the other hand, we almost always see him spinning through robots.I want to return to the 'Mario lifting a castle' thing, mostly because I want to make sure everyone (including me), clearly understands it. First, is this the castle-lifting feat we're talking about at 2:30:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMB3QbH2CQ4&feature=related
Is that the one, or is there another that is being referred to here?
What else could he be hitting him with? Is it his legs, arms or back? Not his stomach. The head is the only logical part of his body that he is attacking with.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Kinda like how Hulk threw Wolverine over that mountain. Wolverine may not have died, but he was defeated.
Yes.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I see; so both ScreamPaste and MooCowJustice are Nintendo fanboys.The castle-lift "feat" is not to be taken seriously. Does that mean Mario has a castle-wiper too? Can Mario survive a castle explosion yet die when attacked by a turtle?
Sonic would wipe the floor with Mario, Link, and Sephiroth at the same time.
Meh, add Silver and Shadow and the option to use the emeralds.
Originally posted by Phantom MiriaIt means that a certain amount of toonforce (to borrow the term from CBR) is in play in the Mario Bros series. Everyone should be taking that into account.
[b]What it means is that mountains need bandaid ✅ Just like how it means that Bowser is a lot more heavy than a castle. [/B]
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixHis spines. He's a hedgehog. Hedgehogs roll into balls with their pointy hairs sticking outward to ward off predators. Team Sonic used this concept as the basis for Sonic's moves. Sonic rolls into a ball with his spines outward and smashes into the enemy at high speed. This is what we've consistently seen. Not headbutts.
What else could he be hitting him with? Is it his legs, arms or back? Not his stomach. The head is the only logical part of his body that he is attacking with.
Also relevant to castles, for those who haven't seen it:
Originally posted by Acrosurge
It means that a certain amount of toonforce (to borrow the term from CBR) is in play in the Mario Bros series. Everyone should be taking that into account.His spines. He's a hedgehog. Hedgehogs roll into balls with their pointy hairs sticking outward to ward off predators. Team Sonic used this concept as the basis for Sonic's moves. Sonic rolls into a ball with his spines outward and smashes into the enemy at high speed. This is what we've consistently seen. Not headbutts.
Also relevant to castles, for those who haven't seen it:
Well while we're strolling down Random Lane...
Fun Fact: Sonic is actually a Cyclops Hedgehog.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I see; so both ScreamPaste and MooCowJustice are Nintendo fanboys.The castle-lift "feat" is not to be taken seriously. Does that mean Mario has a castle-wiper too? Can Mario survive a castle explosion yet die when attacked by a turtle?
Sonic would wipe the floor with Mario, Link, and Sephiroth at the same time.
I find Nintendo games to be more enjoyable that many other franchises these days.
Master Chief's armor took an atmospheric reentry, should any enemy bullets do damage to it at all? No, but they do in gameplay. Can you tell me why?
I don't know about that.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I find Nintendo games to be more enjoyable that many other franchises these days.Master Chief's armor took an atmospheric reentry, should any enemy bullets do damage to it at all? No, but they do in gameplay. Can you tell me why?
I don't know about that.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
gameplay
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I see; so both ScreamPaste and MooCowJustice are Nintendo fanboys.The castle-lift "feat" is not to be taken seriously. Does that mean Mario has a castle-wiper too? Can Mario survive a castle explosion yet die when attacked by a turtle?
Sonic would wipe the floor with Mario, Link, and Sephiroth at the same time.
I'd like to point out Mario survived galaxy wide catastrophe at the end of Mario Galaxy. -.o;
And this is Sonic, not Super Sonic, he cannot attain hyper-sonic/Super sonic in this debate.
Sonic can't hurt Mario, and a bullet does not grab you and throw you. If Sonic grabbed Mario, lifted and threw him, Mario would stop him from doing so the second time, and pop his skull.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'd like to point out Mario survived galaxy wide catastrophe at the end of Mario Galaxy. -.o;And this is Sonic, not Super Sonic, he cannot attain hyper-sonic/Super sonic in this debate.
Sonic can't hurt Mario, and a bullet does not grab you and throw you. If Sonic grabbed Mario, lifted and threw him, Mario would stop him from doing so the second time, and pop his skull.
He'd be BFR'd the first time and you missed the point. He can't react to Sonic's speed, you can know it's coming and still not be able to react to it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sonic's never thrown anything that far to my knowledge, and no, a bullet just hits you, Sonic in this case would have to physicly grab Mario and toss him. Mario could react to that if he was expecting it, rather easily.
Mario doesn't weigh that much and you already stated a "what if" in the fact that he did throw him that far. You don't need to throw someone miles for a BFR victory.
No you can't react even if you are expecting it, Batman could be expecting a punch from Flash, but that doesn't mean he can stop it, or block it.
Prove Mario could react to it, show me some feats that says his reaction time is that good.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Your logic is flawed, this isn't a punch, and Sonic's not the flash. It's a toss.And in this case, because the battle field's not defined, simply throwing Mario over an imaginary line drawn in the sand doesn't mean Sonic wins. That'd be sort of a cop out.
Sonic compared to Mario is like Flash compared to Batman.
That's a BFR, is it the best way to win, nope, but it works.
Please don't ignore my question. Prove Mario can react to Sonic in time.