Hulcan vs. Superman

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I was under the impression that the current Hulk is WWH. I thought WWH was currently appearing in a title.

Hulk has had brain injuries before and thats never affected his power. I see what your saying but it probably wouldnt work because the Hulk has been shown to adapt to lots of different attacks which should negeate his powers. Hell if that part of his brain was disintegrated it would probably grow back.

Ok but it doesnt seem to be the norm.

Edit: Heres a weaker version of the Hulk healing from massive injuries almost instantly.

http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/a5375628

i've seen that feat--hulk's one of my faves. still, even healing his skin isn't the same thing as healing his brain from what would essentially be nothingness.

i'm not sure whether destroying the emotional center of his brain would prevent him from accessing his powers, but hulk has been calmed before through mental powers, he's been almost killed by a brain injury as well. even if this is wwh, i'm not sure he'd heal--you're talking near INSTANTANEOUS healing--from a disintegrated brain. to the best of my knowledge no one has destroyed the emotional center of his brain, so i concede that it is some speculation, but it does seem to make sense, and if that was destroyed, all hulk's powers--including healing--would end with the attack so obviously regeneration would be impossible.

meh, my point was supes could win this. that was just one option.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I was under the impression that the current Hulk is WWH. I thought WWH was currently appearing in a title.

Nope Savage and Currently depowered.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've seen that feat--hulk's one of my faves. still, even healing his skin isn't the same thing as healing his brain from what would essentially be nothingness.

Hes not just healing his skin theres alot of flesh, the feat was described as being healed from almost a skeleton. In those scans he healed his flesh from nothingness.

Originally posted by leonidas

i'm not sure whether destroying the emotional center of his brain would prevent him from accessing his powers, but hulk has been calmed before through mental powers, he's been almost killed by a brain injury as well.

Ok but hes resisted stuff like that as well.

Originally posted by leonidas
even if this is wwh, i'm not sure he'd heal--you're talking near INSTANTANEOUS healing--from a disintegrated brain.

In the scans provided he healed lots of flesh almost instantly and thats a weaker Hulk.

Originally posted by leonidas

to the best of my knowledge no one has destroyed the emotional center of his brain, so i concede that it is some speculation, but it does seem to make sense, and if that was destroyed, all hulk's powers--including healing--would end with the attack so obviously regeneration would be impossible.

Thing is hes been turned to stone. If your brain has been turned to stone thats technically the same as destroying it. His body adapted and resisted it. At the end of the day the brain is a part of his body and if it gets damaged it will regenerate.

Originally posted by leonidas

meh, my point was supes could win this. that was just one option.

Meh ok.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be fair the amount of showings that Superman has vastly outnumber Sentry's in an out and out feat war Sentry will lose but will have some comparable feats.

when it comes down to quality rather than quantity, superman is still a ways ahead.

Originally posted by -Pr-
when it comes down to quality rather than quantity, superman is still a ways ahead.

You cant seperate the two. Superman has better quality showings because he has loads more showings.

Thing is hes been turned to stone. If your brain has been turned to stone thats technically the same as destroying it. His body adapted and resisted it. At the end of the day the brain is a part of his body and if it gets damaged it will regenerate.

hmm, i'm not sure about that. the only time i remember off-hand that hulk was turned to stone was by dormammu and in that case umar had to free him. i don't THINK grey gargoyle did it, but even in that case he reverts to normal on his own after a set time period. if anything, the fact that dormmy turned him into a statue and hulk was unable to heal from it on his own would support my side of things. 😬

and while it's true hulk has resisted all sorts of mental assaults, this type of attack would be very much different from anything he's really ever come across. is it possible he could regenerate his brain? i'd say yes, but it would take time. i also think it possible--and logical--that the attack would kill him for good.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You cant seperate the two. Superman has better quality showings because he has loads more showings.

no, you can seperate the two. if i show one scan and you show one scan, they're even numbers of scans. trying to blame it on quantity doesn't tend to hold up to scrutiny.

hmm, it seems gargoyle DID at one time turn gray hulk to stone. a couple things about that though--it wasn't emotion that caused banner to change into the gray hulk--it was nightfall. gargoyle also doesn't really 'kill'. like i said he just temporarily changes people. in this case, he changed BANNER to stone and the transformation still happened at nightfall. his healing factor was countering part of the effect though when he became hulk, so, again, meh. some contradictory showings. still really nothing like having his brain disintegrated though. 🙂

Originally posted by The Nuul
It doesn't work that way. Only Hulk always gets upgrades just so he can fight Supes.

Guess that bugs the people who think he can solo Supes.

I cant see heat vision stopping wwh, especially since this guy walked through a barrage of adamantium bullets that was going entirely through his body like it was nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant see heat vision stopping wwh, especially since this guy walked through a barrage of adamantium bullets that was going entirely through his body like it was nothing.

Also can't imagine Heat even being a threat to someone who can damn near control all sorts of energy and to be frank... Heat aint that exotic... 😉

Originally posted by roughrider
Guess that bugs the people who think he can solo Supes.

Wouldn't know because I ain't one of them.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Also can't imagine Heat even being a threat to someone who can damn near control all sorts of energy and to be frank... Heat aint that exotic... 😉

he's gotta be able to react to it to control it, and i'd love to see all the speed feats that hulk and vulcan have to support their ability to react to superman-level combat speeds. 😉

Originally posted by -Pr-
no, you can seperate the two. if i show one scan and you show one scan, they're even numbers of scans. trying to blame it on quantity doesn't tend to hold up to scrutiny.

I disagree. Even if you have an even number of feats you are still getting Superman feats from a collection of feats that vastly outnumber Sentry's. Since you have loads more feats to choose from this incraeses your chances of having better ones by a huge amount.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm not sure about that. the only time i remember off-hand that hulk was turned to stone was by dormammu and in that case umar had to free him. i don't THINK grey gargoyle did it, but even in that case he reverts to normal on his own after a set time period. if anything, the fact that dormmy turned him into a statue and hulk was unable to heal from it on his own would support my side of things. 😬

Nah man Dorrmy is a skyfather level character, that might explain why Dormy succeded and Gargoyle failed ( I'll explain the nightfall thing later). Not only that it sound like he was in his home dimension thus making him more powerful. C'mon man you cant use a feat from a skyfather level character and use it as proof for a herald level character.

Originally posted by leonidas

and while it's true hulk has resisted all sorts of mental assaults, this type of attack would be very much different from anything he's really ever come across.

I agree to an extent. Resist a mental assault isnt the same as having part of your brain removed.

Originally posted by leonidas
is it possible he could regenerate his brain? i'd say yes, but it would take time. i also think it possible--and logical--that the attack would kill him for good.

A bomb containing adamantium shrapnel explodes in Hulk’s arms, embedding the shrapnel throughout his body and even into his head. Hulk heals in moments. IH #109.
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/a3b99c8c
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/c91fea3f
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/8827af36

Also Hulk was holding back that entire story till the end.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, it seems gargoyle DID at one time turn gray hulk to stone. a couple things about that though--it wasn't emotion that caused banner to change into the gray hulk--it was nightfall.

Thats because at that time Banner would turn into the Hulk at nightfall. So therefore it stands to reason that when it turned to night Grey Hulk would turn back. Other Hulks do not have this restriction.

Originally posted by leonidas

gargoyle also doesn't really 'kill'. like i said he just temporarily changes people.

Ok but that still doesnt change the fact that while they are stone they dont have a brain because its turned to stone.

Originally posted by leonidas
in this case, he changed BANNER to stone and the transformation still happened at nightfall. his healing factor was countering part of the effect though when he became hulk, so, again, meh. some contradictory showings. still really nothing like having his brain disintegrated though. 🙂

Its different but comparable in both cases there is no brain. In this example the brain no longer exists because its turned to stone in your example part of the brain has been turned to nothingness.

Originally posted by leonidas
he's gotta be able to react to it to control it, and i'd love to see all the speed feats that hulk and vulcan have to support their ability to react to superman-level combat speeds. 😉

Using heat and or frost breath in rapid succession could be good except I don't think that Vulcan has to aim or even see the attack coming if he chooses a certain intensity or heat or coldness touching him.

but thats just my thoughts...

I think supes only chance before hulcan depowers supes is to just pummel hulcan right out of the gates and hope his flurry of kicks and punches will kill or ko him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I disagree. Even if you have an even number of feats you are still getting Superman feats from a collection of feats that vastly outnumber Sentry's. Since you have loads more feats to choose from this incraeses your chances of having better ones by a huge amount.

more feats means more low feats too. it balances itself out. just ask any of the anti-superman people on kmc.

Originally posted by -Pr-
more feats means more low feats too. it balances itself out. just ask any of the anti-superman people on kmc.

Its most likely that hes going to have more high-end feats. I recently got more Superman comics and most of his feats are impressive...and there not any different from his appearances in JLA either.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah man Dorrmy is a skyfather level character, that might explain why Dormy succeded and Gargoyle failed ( I'll explain the nightfall thing later). Not only that it sound like he was in his home dimension thus making him more powerful. C'mon man you cant use a feat from a skyfather level character and use it as proof for a herald level character.

meh, maybe. still, stone is stone. not sure why his healing wouldn't work. not like dormmy's stone was special i don't think . . .

I agree to an extent. Resist a mental assault isnt the same as having part of your brain removed.

👆

A bomb containing adamantium shrapnel explodes in Hulk’s arms, embedding the shrapnel throughout his body and even into his head. Hulk heals in moments. IH #109.
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/a3b99c8c
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/c91fea3f
http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/8827af36

Also Hulk was holding back that entire story till the end.

that's wwh. this version isn't only current, savage hulk. and not to long ago hulk had to have a piece of shrapnel removed from his head by apocalypse because he couldn't heal from it and it was interferring with his ability to think and his emotions.

Its different but comparable in both cases there is no brain. In this example the brain no longer exists because its turned to stone in your example part of the brain has been turned to nothingness.

the weird thing about gargoyle's attack though--it didn't even prevent BANNER from functioning. he was BANNER--not hulk--when he was changed to stone, and even as banner the change happened. that doesn't say much about the HULK's healing factor, if it was BANNER who changed in the first place. that whole story was . . . odd.

anyway, for your point to be true, we'd need to see a healing feat that would justify it, or need to see him recover from a similarly devastating brain trauma very quickly. we've seen shrapnel in his brain that he could NOT heal from (apoc removed it when he made him WAR), we've seen hulk rendered comatose by a far less potent attack to his brain (storm and cable). we've seen some GREAT healing feats, but nothing that would lead me to believe he could regenerate his brain nearly INSTANTLY. there is also some evidence to suggest that hulk's power (namely emotion) does indeed stem from his brain--he has been calmed multiple times via mental powers.

all those things taken together lead me to conclude that full-force HV (which has power enough to warm PLANETS!) fired through his eyes would certainly end this fight--at least long enough to score a ko for superman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its most likely that hes going to have more high-end feats. I recently got more Superman comics and most of his feats are impressive...and there not any different from his appearances in JLA either.

he has both. more high end, more low end.

he's written to be a fair bit more powerful in his own books than he is in jla. it's always been that way, so yes, there is a difference.

Originally posted by -Pr-
he has both. more high end, more low end.

I'll have to take your word for it, I have seen most of them as high and pretty impressive.

Originally posted by -Pr-

he's written to be a fair bit more powerful in his own books than he is in jla. it's always been that way, so yes, there is a difference.

Well so far it doesnt seem to indicate that at all. Even another poster stated that Superman was the only one that didnt job in the JLA.