Originally posted by Robtard
Never understood the nonsense of not passing capital punishment (in places where it already exist) because someone is crazy. The way I see, if you're going to execute a murderer, why not start with the insane murderers first? Just silly.The likely outcome: Courts will find her not guilty (of murder charges) and she'll spend several years in the loony bin, after a spell, she'll "find Jesus" and be released.
emathy isnt ur strong point is it?
Originally posted by Captain REX
Wow... that's seriously unpleasant.I think the fact that she committed extremely sadistic murder and cannibalism on private property means shit-all, Chaos. That's like saying I could go in the living room right now and shoot my family, but it'd be okay because it's private property...
DUDE!
He's being sarcastic. He's mocking the overzealous southern Republicans OR libertarians.
Originally posted by RobtardThat last sentence made this quote for the win.
Never understood the nonsense of not passing capital punishment (in places where it already exist) because someone is crazy. The way I see, if you're going to execute a murderer, why not start with the insane murderers first? Just silly.The likely outcome: Courts will find her not guilty (of murder charges) and she'll spend several years in the loony bin, after a spell, she'll "find Jesus" and be released.
This woman is mentally ill. The more likely outcome will be that she will be found not guilty, locked in an asylum, drugged and medicated every 3 hours for the rest of her life, till she no longer is able to chew food on her own and possibly raped by one of the male nurses ( a very common occurrence in mental institutions in cases where patients are either severely brain damaged, or severely medicated.)
Originally posted by Captain REX
Wow... that's seriously unpleasant.I think the fact that she committed extremely sadistic murder and cannibalism on private property means shit-all, Chaos. That's like saying I could go in the living room right now and shoot my family, but it'd be okay because it's private property...
I might have been poking fun at Libertarian/Objectivist philosophy.
Obviously she needs help. At the point, considering she's shown remorse for her actions I doubt anyone would deny that she needs either psychiatric attention (except Scientologists) or life in prison/execution.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This woman is mentally ill. The more likely outcome will be that she will be found not guilty, locked in an asylum, drugged and medicated every 3 hours for the rest of her life, till she no longer is able to chew food on her own and possibly raped by one of the male nurses ( a very common occurrence in mental institutions in cases where patients are either severely brain damaged, or severely medicated.)
On the other hand she ate her kid, that's probably the more merciful outcome available to her.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This woman is mentally ill. The more likely outcome will be that she will be found not guilty, locked in an asylum, drugged and medicated every 3 hours for the rest of her life, till she no longer is able to chew food on her own and possibly raped by one of the male nurses ( a very common occurrence in mental institutions in cases where patients are either severely brain damaged, or severely medicated.)
Like I said, might as well just execute her, considering it's Texas as they have capital there.
Curious how it's known that rape is a common occurrence to brain-damaged/medicated patients? I can picture it happening, I just don;t see how it's tracked so it's "known."
Re: Investigators stunned by child dismemberment
Originally posted by Prince Nauj
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32171926/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/This is so wrong and disturbing
I'll be the one to say it. Call me captain obvious....
This isn't the first time something like this have happen.
Just another example of the horrors of cannibalism. The lowest of the low (unless survival and that other stuff that just opens a whole new can of gibberish arguments) sickening.
Originally posted by Robtard
Curious how it's known that rape is a common occurrence to brain-damaged/medicated patients? I can picture it happening, I just don;t see how it's tracked so it's "known."
reports by the victims, people coming forward, etc.
There is the flip-side however. In the case of facilitated communication, many autistic children were "found" to have been sexually abused by their parents/caregivers, but were unable to express it until their communication was facilitated (basically a facilitator would move the child's hand to letters to spell words).
After serious investigation, it was found that rather than the accusations being accurate, they were the fabrication of the facilitator, and the child was no better able to communicate with facilitation than without. It was not the malevolence of the facilitator, but something called the "ideo-motor effect", meaning that even subconscious thoughts can affect your behaviour in unconscious ways. Pendulums and Ouija boards work in a similar fashion, when not outright fraud.
Similarly, when private investigators were sent as patients to professional counciling (can't remember what credentials were used), most were, after one sitting, thought to have suffered physical parental abuse. There is a sort of human instinct to suppose and report these things.
That being said, Institutions were terrible places. They closed them down largely in Canada in the 80s because of these types of reports and other serious abuses. My feeling is that it is both under-reported and often mis-reported, though, you are right, it is almost impossible to know in real numbers. Same with priest abuses and stuff of the like.
Originally posted by Robtard
Like I said, might as well just execute her, considering it's Texas as they have capital there.Curious how it's known that rape is a common occurrence to brain-damaged/medicated patients? I can picture it happening, I just don;t see how it's tracked so it's "known."
This is well documented. And if you read literature concerning 'Toxic Psychology' this will be most obvious.
The ones which are proven are the ones who go through abortion more than once in a mental institution.
Female patients who are heavily medicated frequently report 'flashbacks' or 'memories' of having sex while in institution. Many of them are just too drugged out of their brains to know what the hell happened.
This is difficult to prove, as they are all diagnosed with mental disorder, and therefore impossible to tell who is telling a lie and who is telling the truth.
It is KNOWN that patients mirror each other's behaviour - hence medication (one goes psycho-active, the rest may follow) and hence impossibility of proving that if one claims something like that happen, then another one, than another one, this sort of thing gets ignored/accepted/covered up.
Who is going to pay for all those rape tests? Hospital won't. And neither will anyones tax money.
It's difficult to prove rape in every day cases, let ALONE those in mental institution, where victims are drugged - vaginal tearing is so infrequent.
It's not like its difficult. Old people at institutions who are supposed to be looked after, are frequently physically, mentally and sometimes sexually abused.
Again, providing a proof for something like this is extreamly difficult . The ones who have been caught (and many have), were so, because they were not careful enough when the children of the elderly came to visit.
There is an extreamly low visiting ratio for people who are institutionalized. Not only that, but those who are on frequent medication, particulary those diagnosed with some kind of psychosis (as this woman will be - she hurt the child, AND herself, therefore she WILL be medicated and restrained as she will be considered danger to herself and others).
She will sleep strapped to bed (as many patients are) and she will be medicated to control her psychotic urges or whatever.
Few years back, a colleague of my boyfriends father (who is a psychiatrist in a mental institution) was accused of sexual abuse - the reason they knew is that the girl became pregnant - 4th time around!
While he was investigated, he was allowed to continue working at the same hospital.
Really, who is going to care anyway? Society certainly does not.
They are drugged and medicated because thats the easiest way - they are deemed as there is no helping them and therefore noone will even try. Apart from drugging people, there is no known cure for psychosis - hence the arguments of Toxic Psychology camp who argue psychiatry and psychology should move, as a science, in a direction which relies less on drugs.
Again, putting this into practice will take years - if ever. I personally don't believe psychology or psychiatry will move in this direction for a very long time - in fact, I rather thing they'll start killing them off, rather than taking measure beyond drugging them.
I wrote a paper about this in one of my MA classes.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They are drugged and medicated because thats the easiest way - they are deemed as there is no helping them and therefore noone will even try. Apart from drugging people, there is no known cure for psychosis - hence the arguments of Toxic Psychology camp who argue psychiatry and psychology should move, as a science, in a direction which relies less on drugs.
Again, putting this into practice will take years - if ever. I personally don't believe psychology or psychiatry will move in this direction for a very long time - in fact, I rather thing they'll start killing them off, rather than taking measure beyond drugging them.
First of all if there's no help for psychosis than drugs what possible help would stopping medication be? (other than producing more psychotic people). Secondly there's a lot more money to be made in treatment than execution so the idea of "murder rather than study" strikes me as absurdly reactionary.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
First of all if there's no help for psychosis than drugs what possible help would stopping medication be? (other than producing more psychotic people). Secondly there's a lot more money to be made in treatment than execution so the idea of "murder rather than study" strikes me as absurdly reactionary.
You know, people who have no elementary knowledge of psychology or psychiatry asking questions in tone such as you're asking, are extreamly frustrating.
Why don't you read up on it first, instead of being cocky.
Firstly, psychiatry deals with treatment as well as prevention of mental disorders. The whole point of it is to try and TREAT the mental disorders not suppress them.
What psychiatric hospitals do (as well as psychiatrists, which hand out antidepressins and other drugs like candy) is to just medicate people and hope that the drugs will do their job without them actually DOING anything.
So, if you bothered to research anything, you'd know that drugs are in cases necessary, but what the 'Toxic Psychiatry' tells us is that drugs are the MAIN part of any mental disorder ''treatment'', starting from depression through to all types of sociopathy, right through to psychosis and schizophrenia.
Anyone who has ever suffered from clinical depression has been on some kind of drugs at some point. They in turn become addicted to the drugs (mentally, and sometimes physically) and therefore any hope of actual treatment is being diminished.
My kid is hyperactive - here's some pills
I'm stay at home wife - here's some pills
I'm depressed - here's some pills
He's psychotic...for some reason - here's some pills
This patient is suffering from extreme paranoia - Here's some pills
etc...
These drugs have huge psychotic effects on whomever is taking it - and those in mental institution are NO exception. The sad truth is, that any side effects which are being experienced by the drugs are attributed to their original disorder and in many cases doses have been increased.
Mass handing out of drugs, involuntary treatment, have all contributed to the unsuccesfull 'treatment' of patients inside and outside of mental institutions.
Now, if you really bother knowing about it (instead of just trying to be a smartass), here are good reading suggestions -
- Medication Madness, by Peter Breggin, M.D
- Brain-Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry:
Drugs, Electroshock, and the Psychopharmaceutical Complex
- The Antidepressant Fact Book:
What Your Doctor Won't Tell You About Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa and Luvox
- Toxic Psychiatry
And 1908294876 million other academic papers and books.
It explains nicely what psychiatry/psychology should actually be and how it was supposed to treat people.
Biological psychology/psychiatry is a total perversion of medicine and science, and a fraud.
The types of drugs they give to patients in mental institutions are probably on ''trial bases''. It would not for a second surprise me.
Here's an example - Strattera was an unsuccessful antidepressin that did not get approved, and that as an alternative got marketed as a medication for ADHD, in USA. Enough said.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You know, people who have no elementary knowledge of psychology or psychiatry asking questions in tone such as you're asking, are extreamly frustrating.
Why don't you read up on it first, instead of being cocky.
Pointing out egregious flaws in your presentation is not cocky.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Firstly, psychiatry deals with treatment as well as prevention of mental disorders. The whole point of it is to try and TREAT the mental disorders not suppress them.
What psychiatric hospitals do (as well as psychiatrists, which hand out antidepressins and other drugs like candy) is to just medicate people and hope that the drugs will do their job without them actually DOING anything.
This, I know.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So, if you bothered to research anything, you'd know that drugs are in cases necessary, but what the 'Toxic Psychiatry' tells us is that drugs are the MAIN part of any mental disorder ''treatment'', starting from depression through to all types of sociopathy, right through to psychosis and schizophrenia.
How would you talk someone out of schizophrenia? What's your solution other than medication for serious psychiatric problems?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Anyone who has ever suffered from clinical depression has been on some kind of drugs at some point. They in turn become addicted to the drugs (mentally, and sometimes physically) and therefore any hope of actual treatment is being diminished.My kid is hyperactive - here's some pills
I'm stay at home wife - here's some pills
I'm depressed - here's some pills
He's psychotic...for some reason - here's some pills
This patient is suffering from extreme paranoia - Here's some pills
etc...
The first three I see the problem. The second two, not so much unless you've got better ideas.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
These drugs have huge psychotic effects on whomever is taking it - and those in mental institution are NO exception. The sad truth is, that any side effects which are being experienced by the drugs are attributed to their original disorder and in many cases doses have been increased.
Just a question, how does one determine what's a result of the drugs and what's the result of the disorder?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Mass handing out of drugs, involuntary treatment, have all contributed to the unsuccesfull 'treatment' of patients inside and outside of mental institutions.
For people that have fairly mundane problems I agree. For schizophrenia, psychosis etc there's no other known solution.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Now, if you really bother knowing about it (instead of just trying to be a smartass), here are good reading suggestions -- Medication Madness, by Peter Breggin, M.D
- Brain-Disabling Treatments in Psychiatry:
Drugs, Electroshock, and the Psychopharmaceutical Complex
- The Antidepressant Fact Book:
What Your Doctor Won't Tell You About Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa and Luvox
- Toxic PsychiatryAnd 1908294876 million other academic papers and books.
It explains nicely what psychiatry/psychology should actually be and how it was supposed to treat people.
Thanks.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Biological psychology/psychiatry is a total perversion of medicine and science, and a fraud.
You don't think the brain might have something to do with the mind? One hell of conspiracy.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The types of drugs they give to patients in mental institutions are probably on ''trial bases''. It would not for a second surprise me.
Some of them almost certainly are. On the other hand you cannot test a drug properly unless you try it on people that have the disorder you're attempting to treat.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Here's an example - Strattera was an unsuccessful antidepressin that did not get approved, and that as an alternative got marketed as a medication for ADHD, in USA. Enough said.
I don't really see how bad marketing can be blamed on psychiatry . . .