Investigators stunned by child dismemberment

Originally posted by dadudemon
I've heard of doctors prescribing stupid things that do absolutely nothing (placebo, basically). They basically lie. Most people aren't smart enough to know to go to the intertubes and look up the drug they are taking and figure out what it does. This helps keep the door open...no dependence on the drug really develops. It's all pyschological and the mind is the professional's putty. 🙂 (That's more ideal that literal, of course.)

where have you heard of that? controlled clinical trials?

if that happens, congrads, you have a wicked lawsuit against your doctor.

And no, in this instance, it wouldn't help, as many mental health issues are biologically based. Placebos would really only help hypochondriacs. Even people with somatic disorders DO NOT respond to placebos.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Or, the flipside, the person, being medicated, can integrate with some success, back into society...with some coaching, therapy, etc.

That isn't the case for all as some are beyond hope with current techniques and medications...which I believe you are referring to.

ya, thats exactly it, the pills dont integrate them into society, they incapacitate them.

If there was a pill that fixed schizophrenia the way insulin treats diabetes, I don't think anyone would have a problem. The issue is that the medication regiment isn't set up with treatment in mind in the first place.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why (or how) would I be against Dendrites? I don't think we understand each other what I meant under biologial psychiatry.

Brain damage/injury and mental illness are two completely different things (as you already know).
I don't think we should get Neurobiology nor Neurology into this.

Biological Psychology refers to medication, shock treatment, lobotomy and other brain impairing practices done by psychiatrists in name of recovery from mental illness, not brain damage. Many involuntary.

Many of them actually cause brain damage, such as electroshock.
Seriously, who uses electroshock to treat depression? It's just incomprehensible to me why people do this.
I actually have no idea if this is even legal, although I have read that certain psychiatrists use it on institutionalized patients as well as those who are not. Scary.

weird, my only familiarity with the term "biological psychology" comes from the study of the biology of the brain, and has almost nothing to do with psychopharmacology or clinical neurology. The only "biological psychologists" I know do experiments on rats and other non-human animals.

Weird that it should have 2 grossly different meanings...

Originally posted by inimalist
where have you heard of that? controlled clinical trials?

That's one of the ways. Another has been a relative's doctor.

Originally posted by inimalist
if that happens, congrads, you have a wicked lawsuit against your doctor.

How so? If the drug doesn't do anything...what grounds can a lawsuit be held to, especially if the patient has shown improvement? Seems frivalous and likely to be thrown out if a doctor knows not to agitate a patient.

Originally posted by inimalist
And no, in this instance, it wouldn't help, as many mental health issues are biologically based. Placebos would really only help hypochondriacs. Even people with somatic disorders DO NOT respond to placebos.

But this misses the that "real" long term help doesn't come from a pill.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's one of the ways. Another has been a relative's doctor.

How so? If the drug doesn't do anything...what grounds can a lawsuit be held to, especially if the patient has shown improvement? Seems frivalous and likely to be thrown out if a doctor knows not to agitate a patient.

your doctor is not allowed to lie to you or put you on a medication regiment without your informed consent.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But this misses the that "real" long term help doesn't come from a pill.

I don't think I've missed that at all. My point is that pills are used in place of real treatments.

Originally posted by inimalist
your doctor is not allowed to lie to you or put you on a medication regiment without your informed consent.

Cool. But it happens...

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think I've missed that at all. My point is that pills are used in place of real treatments.

Cool. And I agree.

Originally posted by inimalist
weird, my only familiarity with the term "biological psychology" comes from the study of the biology of the brain, and has almost nothing to do with psychopharmacology or clinical neurology. The only "biological psychologists" I know do experiments on rats and other non-human animals.

Weird that it should have 2 grossly different meanings...

Think of it this way.

To most people physics is the study of how matter and energy move through space and time. To LilB physics would be the creation of nuclear weapons.

Rather than two definitions we have one actual meaningful definition and one that ignores the entire field in order to give it a specific spin.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Cool. But it happens...

not to me 😛

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Think of it this way.

To most people physics is the study of how matter and energy move through space and time. To LilB physics would be the creation of nuclear weapons.

Rather than two definitions we have one actual meaningful definition and one that ignores the entire field in order to give it a specific spin.

lol, fair enough. People come into different terms in different ways, and as long as we know what eachother are talking about, its good.

Though, ya, I'd call what she calls "biological psychology" as some form of clinical or pharmacological psych. I guess brain surgery comes strictly from neurology...

WTH? A baby was posessed by the devil and so the mother killed it? Biggest crock of bull**** I've ever heard in my life. See what happens when you're into religion way too much? This is freaking messed up.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
WTH? A baby was posessed by the devil and so the mother killed it? Biggest crock of bull**** I've ever heard in my life. See what happens when you're into religion way too much? This is freaking messed up.

I don't think she was way into religion because the Christian God would never tell you to eat a baby especially if it was possessed by a demon.

In regards to her punishment...FRY THIS BEEYOTCH!

Originally posted by Nemesis X
WTH? A baby was posessed by the devil and so the mother killed it? Biggest crock of bull**** I've ever heard in my life. See what happens when you're into religion way too much? This is freaking messed up.

Yeah because obviously the problem is religion and not people that eat babies 🙄

Originally posted by inimalist
not to me 😛

lol, fair enough. People come into different terms in different ways, and as long as we know what eachother are talking about, its good.

Though, ya, I'd call what she calls "biological psychology" as some form of clinical or pharmacological psych. I guess brain surgery comes strictly from neurology...

We're the product of different education frameworks. different words texts and syllabi to present the same data.

No one can win this debate.

Some countries use LHD.
Others use RHD.

Originally posted by shiv
We're the product of different education frameworks. different words texts and syllabi to present the same data.

No one can win this debate.

Some countries use LHD.
Others use RHD.

WHAT?

What the hell is LHD? Large Hadron Collider?

And, in context, I can assume RHD is a research doctorates...right?

Left hand drive vs right hand drive.

Then again science is usually supposed to be standardized better than that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Left hand drive vs right hand drive.

Then again science is usually supposed to be standardized better than that.

SHIT!

I fail again to figure out something someone posted on the internet.

How did you know that that's what he was referring to?

I googled "rhd vs lhd" on the assumption that there was some level of competition between them.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I don't think she was way into religion because the Christian God would never tell you to eat a baby especially if it was possessed by a demon.

In regards to her punishment...FRY THIS BEEYOTCH!

SHE ATE IT?!!!! WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE THESE DAYS?!!!!!!!!!! I am not coming in this thread again.

This is sickening and it happened near where I live.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I don't think she was way into religion because the Christian God would never tell you to eat a baby especially if it was possessed by a demon.

*cough*Abraham*cough*.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well maybe not EATING..... but why not though.........?

*cough*Abraham*cough*.

Yeesh, you tell one man he has to murder his kid and people act like you're some kind of wierdo. Can no one take a joke?