MJJ vs Living Tribunal

I mentioned that already

I mentioned it again apparently. I was responding directly to Soul since your post hadn't appeared till after I responded.

Oh, sorry, no problem

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It was used to destroy a universe in the Black Celestial saga.

Originally posted by Mindset
Is that considered canon to 616?

I think so, IIRC it took place mostly in an alternate universe but involved 616 characters

It was 616 Fantastic Four.

can UN restore a universe destroyed by CN? (offtopic, jus curious)

I'm not exactly sure how that would work? I think the UN can only restore things it nullified.

That's just a guess though.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I'm not exactly sure how that would work? I think the UN can only restore things it nullified.

That's just a guess though.

Probably right

i dunno...nulified is nulified, so once somethins no more then its the same regardles what nulified it

actualy its the fact UN can undo nulification (even its own) thats a bit weird but thats comics logic i guess ^^

maybe a bit ontopic too, wuz wondering why no one restored 238 once the mjj arc wuz over (i mean at least hi-lvl abstracts like LT shoud be able to do it, unless thats not there job)

your face is weird

Well when something is nullified it goes to Oblivion, and Quasar was able to come back from Oblivion by escaping Deathurge

Originally posted by Mindset
your face is weird

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well when something is nullified it goes to Oblivion, and Quasar was able to come back from Oblivion by escaping Deathurge

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so suppose Thanos (when he wanted impress Ms Death) had used the UN to kill every1, Death woud not have been too happy then? 😄 (cuz every1 wouldve gone to Oblivion instead of Death)

Probably. Although IIRC Death and Oblivion do share some ideals and their powers/realms overlap a bit

The Cosmics in Collision arc from Quasar sort of shifted the Oblivion/Death relationship around.

I'm not sure if that's been retconned or not.

I didn't read that, what happened?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

More nonsense.

The LT never intervened because Jaspers never broke any laws. If you recall from the IG arc, the LT didn't intervene when Thanos had the IG because Thanos only wanted to replace Eternity's importance with his own.

The law of natural selection, the strong prey upon the weak.
Jaspers simply replaced Eternity with himself.

Originally posted by Endless Mike

It didn't seem like one at a time,
more like a geometric/exponential progression.

He would affect several,

each of them would affect several more, etc.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I didn't read that, what happened?

It's been a while since I read it. IIRC Deathurge mentioned something in his fight with Ghost Rider about how Death served Oblivion. It was also mentioned some where in that arc that not only did Oblivion have domain over all the nullified, but he also had domain over the dead.

Also, Oblivion was creating and commanding Death avatars like Kid Death.

Originally posted by GamorasBigDaddy

sorry to beat a dead horse but MJJ jaspers was'nt a Ominversal power!

His Warp POTENTIALLY would of effected the Omniverse by spreading through ONE UNIVERSE AT A TIME, IF left unchecked!

That's a BIG difference to just saying he was Omniversal power.

238 & 616 Jaspers WERE BOTH Omniversal powers,
even though they didn't get to actually warp the Omniverse.
The difference between the two? ... (one was vulnerable to celestial nullification) - 238 JJ

We know this is true that they were Omniversal powers because:

a. They were more powerful than Matrix/Merlin

b. Had it not been for a single plot device (Fury) 616 Jaspers would've warp all creation.

This fact was witnessed by Cobweb in a future where the Fury failed.
This fact was confirmed by Matrix/Merlin
This fact was stated in Matrix/Merlin's 83 Handbook bio.
(although this bio concerning an Omniverse didn't become canon till 95'😉

But even 616 MJJ's (2006) handbook bio states,
that as long as Jaspers is around,
the prime Multiverse (that houses 616) will always be in danger.

Also, the Exiles' Handbook bio of 2008 states,
that Jaspers was going to destroy the Omniverse in the "Die by the Sword" arc,
again, had it not been for the same plot device (Fury)
this dark result would've been definite.