MJJ vs Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It's been a while since I read it. IIRC Deathurge mentioned something in his fight with Ghost Rider about how Death served Oblivion. It was also mentioned some where in that arc that not only did Oblivion have domain over all the nullified, but he also had domain over the dead.

Also, Oblivion was creating and commanding Death avatars like Kid Death.

That could explain why Phyla-Vell and Drax went to Oblivion's realm when Mentor killed them in GotG

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

but even so, same with IG:

IG is universal-lvl only yet LT intervene against Adam

EndlessMike gave you all the right reasons why too,
but to add to his eloquent:

Magus merged TWO Universes in an instant wth an incomplete IG,
this same incomplete IG owned the UN like a joke as mentioned by Mike.

The IG is the raw and near full power of the Infinity Being,
and the Infinity Being's power is what created the Omniverse originally,
including the LT.

Beyond that:

The IG is so powerful,
that TOAA himself, had to place the restriction on the Gems uniting again.

Of course, this ruling was either changed off-panel,
missed by all of us in some obscure issue,
ignored by knowledge lacking writers of the Illuminati,
or simply retconned.

I thought the ruling only applied to the 616 multiverse

Originally posted by Mr Master
IG is all powerful, it makes one GOD of all creation,
only the LT is known to surpass it's power.

So that means IG is far from being all powerful, literally.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Of course, this ruling was either changed off-panel,
missed by all of us in some obscure issue,
ignored by knowledge lacking writers of the Illuminati,
or simply retconned.

Could it be that since the Universe was destroyed/recreated 3 times since then that the restriction no longer applies? Eternity is the only one who can over-turn the ruling and since that Eternity technically no longer exsists (Entropy is now Eternity), maybe that's why?

Just a thought.

Originally posted by Endless Mike

I thought the ruling only applied to the 616 multiverse

I remember Tony Stark stating something to the effect of:

'But I thought the Gems were restricted from uniting again'

Reed retorts with:

"Says who?"

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's what I initially thought,
until the Illuminati arc came out.

I remember Tony Stark stating something to the effect of:

'But I thought the Gems were restricted from uniting again'

Reed retorts with:

"Says who?"

Well did they unite them?

Just to clarify then...An IG holder, such as Thanos or Warlock could've defeated MJJ?...since it was mentioned that only the LT is known to surpass the power of the IG. I thought the Alien Entity was about the IG as well.

I was trying to recall Mr. Master's heirarchy....it's been a long while since I looked at it...and I don't know if he's added to it or changed it up since then.

I would also like further info on the Alien Entity and Infinity Being and how they pertain to the heirarchy in general

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Just to clarify then...An IG holder, such as Thanos or Warlock could've defeated MJJ?

in MJJ arc they said he was omniversel threat, in fact they use teh word sevral times

in the IG arc they NEVER EVEN ONCE use the word "omniverse" iirc. not a single panel 🤨

btw whats to stop MJJ from turnin the gems into beans or somethin lol

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I would also like further info on the Alien Entity and Infinity Being and how they pertain to the heirarchy in general

The Infinity Being was retconned into being Nemesis from the Avengers/Ultraforce books. She appeared in other stories as well.

Alien Entity, IMO, would be on the same level as beings who destroyed the MU and recreated it under their own power like Entropy and possibly Sise-Neg. I don't know if Sise-Neg qualifies though because he absorbed all the mystical energy throughout the time-stream so he didn't really do it under his own power.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
thats good question

in MJJ arc they said he was omniversel threat, in fact they use teh word sevral times

in the IG arc they NEVER EVEN ONCE use the word "omniverse" iirc. not a single panel 🤨

btw whats to stop MJJ from turnin the gems into beans or somethin lol

lol..that would be funny. Thanos would've shit a brick if he saw the gems turned into beans.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

and threatning all Omniverse aint breaking a law? 🙄 then what is? lol

Well when Thanos got the Ig and was beating up entities LT didnt intervene. He saw it as survival of the fittest.

Ah somebody beat me to it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well when Thanos got the Ig and was beating up entities LT didnt intervene. He saw it as survival of the fittest.

Ah somebody beat me to it.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah but he wasnt omniversel threat

Doesnt matter the point is that LT didnt do anything. LT doesnt just respond to ominversal threats.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Doesnt matter the point is that LT didnt do anything. LT doesnt just respond to ominversal threats.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
k then wut does he respond to? 🤨 I mean its like he only sweat the smaller stuff (universel threats) but not the rilly big stuff

Dunno but im just thinking if was actually going to turn the universe into nothingness than thats something, like people are saying he wasnt destorying universes he was just replacing the order with himself.

To be quite honest I suspect the writers just didnt want him in the story.

only reason why the LT hasn't kicked his ass yet is because he either didn't care or nobody dimed mad jim yet.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Dunno but im just thinking if was actually going to turn the universe into nothingness than thats something, like people are saying he wasnt destorying universes he was just replacing the order with himself.

To be quite honest I suspect the writers just didnt want him in the story.

LT wouldn't care about MJJ, because hes not a threat.

The IG on the other hand, was.