Originally posted by DarthDaniel1001I've been facepalming so much recently that my head has taken on the shape of a sheer cliffside.
Considering the 4 combatants, this would be really messy. Well, I say that Revan kills Dooku (Who lost to Anakin and therefore could not beat Revan) and then helps Sarkiller overwhelm Mace.
Originally posted by DarthDaniel1001
(Who lost to Anakin and therefore could not beat Revan)
Ooooooohhhh! i get it! here i was thinking that Revan was an unknown, and his power couldn't be proven, and his combat prowess completely up to the player of the game, when in fact, all along, he was greater than everyone Dooku lost too, because Dooku lost to Anakin Skywalker, aka, the freaking Chosen One, who had a higher midichlorian count that Yoda.
So glad to know, feel free to begin making all the Revan posts you want, we now have proof positive of his combat ranking, provided by Darth Daniel. 😠 😠 😠
Revan and Starkiller by far.Dooku wasn't even that good of a duel person.But he was extremley powerful in the force just like Starkiller.Id say Starkiller beats Dooku.revan vs mace lets see Mace was a great swordsman but you really could never tell his knowledge in the force but nonetheless had skills when it came to the saber.Revan was extremley powerful in the force and in saber duels.So i say starkiller and revan
Originally posted by truejedi
😠 😠 😠
I was listening to an angry song when I saw these guys singing along.
Originally posted by Zepxyon
Revan and Starkiller by far.Dooku wasn't even that good of a duel person.But he was extremley powerful in the force just like Starkiller.Id say Starkiller beats Dooku.revan vs mace lets see Mace was a great swordsman but you really could never tell his knowledge in the force but nonetheless had skills when it came to the saber.Revan was extremley powerful in the force and in saber duels.So i say starkiller and revan
You'd better quickly say you were being sarcastic before someone tears your post apart.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
I was listening to an angry song when I saw these guys singing along.You'd better quickly say you were being sarcastic before someone tears your post apart.
Originally posted by mattatom
I'm listening to a song like that after I read this post Slash, and i am seriously thinking about tearing it apart, i'll sit back with my hands behind my head and wait for someone else to do it.
I disagree with almost every one of his posts, but I just don't feel like reacting to them.
Originally posted by Zepxyon
Revan and Starkiller by far.
Dooku wasn't even that good of a duel person.
Nah
But he was extremley powerful in the force just like Starkiller.
Id say Starkiller beats Dooku.
revan vs mace lets see Mace was a great swordsman
but you really could never tell his knowledge in the force but nonetheless had skills when it came to the saber.
Revan was extremley powerful in the force and in saber duels.
So i say starkiller and revan
That was easy
Lightsaber Combat
Revan
He was very skilled with the lightsaber, defeating many of the greatest duelists of his time; former Echani General Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate and his apprentice, Darth Malak (Force Power can be debated). During the vision when Bastila and her merry band of Marijuana Smokers board his flagship to capture him, he uses the starting stance of Juyo, an offensive and unpredictable form. Whether this is intentional or not is unknown. He did, however, slay two Terentatek on his own.
The Echani believed that his tactical mastery was because of a highly advanced Battle Precognition, and that he was the epitome of the arts of war. (Note war, not battle.)
Starkiller
Due to the ability in TFU called 'Sith Shien', Starkiller probably uses Form V, Shien, which, as described by Wookieepedia, was created as a form against multiple opponents with blasters while still retaining offensive capabilities. He also uses aspects of Soresu in his defense and Juyo.
Count Dooku
Count Dooku uses Form II, Makashi, a form specialised against lightsaber wielders. His two equals in combat were Yoda and Mace Windu. In lightsaber combat, he will own Starkiller, seeing as mentioned only has had Vader and a droid simulating different Jedi and Sith. His outcome against Revan is uncertain.
Mace Windu
Mace Windu utilizes his own variant of Form VII, the Vaapad. Quoting from Wookieepedia; 'The practitioner of Vaapad would accept the fury of their opponent, transforming them into one half of a superconducting loop, with the other half being the power of darkness inherent in the opponent.'
It has been stated that Windu's only equals in lightsaber combat were Yoda and Dooku, and it is unlikely that Starkiller has had the chance to become as skilled a duelist as either Dooku or Windu training only with Vader and Proxy.
Windu would kick Starkiller's arse. Vaapad is best used against someone utilizing the Dark Side, and 'Darth' Revan implies that we're talking about Revan before Malak's betrayal, so it is a fair chance that Windu would defeat Revan too, due to his form's advantages.
Conclusion
Revan vs Dooku
Revan would probably have an even fight against Dooku, but he would have a chance at winning due to the possibility of him being skilled in the art of fighting users of Form II, as the numbers of practitioneers were higher in his time.
Starkiller vs Dooku
Dooku would eat Starkiller due to his lack of experience fighting Makashi users. Though it is possible - but unlikely - that Proxy - just as having knowledge of Darth Maul - knew of Dooku and has had Starkiller fight against him in that state. It would make it more even, but in the end, Dooku would win anyway due to experience in combat.
Mace Windu vs Revan
An even fight, but due to Vaapad's superiority against the Dark Side, Revan would eventually lose.
Mace Windu vs Starkiller
Windu would own Starkiller, partly because he is a superior duelist and partly because of his form's advantages against the Dark Side.
Force
Revan
Kreia states that watching him was like watching the Heart of the Force. This only implies that Kreia - the bad lady with funny eyes, felt that he was incredibly strong. His knowledge of the Dark Side, however, was immense. Darth Bane, who found one of Revan's holocrons 3,000 years after Revan's time, felt that it surpassed the entirety of the Korriban Academy's archives. (Note Academy Archives, not information inside the tombs.) Partially through the knowledge of this holocron, Bane would acquire the means to reshape the Sith to his wishes, creating the Rule of Two.
Furthermore, Revan was the most gifted Force User of his time, and as one having reached the pinnacle of both the Dark Side and the Light Side, he used both Light and Dark Side-powers with great skill and efficiency.
Starkiller
Starkiller has, for me, not as much skill with the Force as raw power. He does not manipulate the Force to do as he wishes, he practically forces his will upon it. This said, it does not mean that he isn't a bad user - he frequently dismantles and rebuilds his lightsaber using it.
His abilities with the Force, seems, however, to only go as far as lightning and telekinesis, me considering Force Push the same thing as telekinesis due to the similarity of them. We never see him employ less known powers such as Drain Life, and the question is where he would've learned it.
Count Dooku
Dooku was a master of Telekinesis, and also used both Force Choke and Force Lightning. He had knowledge of 'The Living Force', which he used to cure himself of a deadly plague. Other things he was able to do was to rip information out of peoples' minds, and taming animals - most notably a Krayt Dragon.
It is unclear how much Darth Sidious taught him of more advanced powers such as Drain Life.
Mace Windu
Windu was highly skilled in the art of Telekinesis, both in the Force Wave-variant - hurling an overwhelming amount of droids away from himself - and in darker powers such as Force Grip and Force Crush, which he used to severely damage General Grievous.
He also had an ability called the Shatterpoint, which allowed him to see weak points in both opponents and objects, which he then could channel force energy into and shatter otherwise unbreakable objects.
Conclusion
Revan vs Dooku
Revan would likely win due to his knowledge of advanced, lesser known powers, unless he got careless and had his face smashed in by large bloody rocks.
Starkiller vs Dooku
The sheer power of Starkiller would probably be enough to defeat Dooku, unless said had some tricks up his sleeve.
Mace Windu vs Revan
Just like against Dooku, chances are Revan would win due to his knowledge, but it isn't as certain due to Windu's shatterpoint ability.
Mace Windu vs Starkiller
If Starkiller stuck to hurling objects of unimaginable size at Windu, the outcome would probably be that Windu got crushed due to inability to attack while dodging Starkiller's attacks, but if Starkiller decided to employ powers of the Dark Side, Windu would own his sorry arse.
All-out
Revan vs Dooku
Eventually Revan would win due to his knowledge of the Force.
Starkiller vs Dooku
Dooku would be able to defend himself against Starkiller's telekinesis, and probably withstand his lightning long enough to close in for the kill.
Mace Windu vs Revan
Due to Vaapad, Windu would win in the end.
Mace Windu vs Starkiller
He would, just like Dooku, be able to defend himself against the telekinesis and then close in for the kill. The lightning is nothing to speak of because of Vaapad.
I didn't read the Force section. I see problems:
Revan vs Dooku
Revan would likely win
Starkiller vs Dooku
The sheer power of Starkiller would probably be enough to defeat Dooku
Mace Windu vs Revan
Just like against Dooku, chances are Revan would win due to his knowledge
Mace Windu vs Starkiller
If Starkiller stuck to hurling objects of unimaginable size at Windu, the outcome would probably be that Windu got crushed due to inability to attack while dodging Starkiller's attacks
In order:
1. No. Way.
2. Debatable
3. Nah
4. Hellz no
If we ignore that part (and his call between Revan/Dooku all out) then he's got it about right.
Originally posted by Red NemesisBrilliant! Gentlemen, this member is going to change the forums as we know it!
I didn't read the [b]Force section. I see problems:😬
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In order:
1. No. Way.
2. Debatable
3. Nah
4. Hellz noIf we ignore that part (and his call between Revan/Dooku all out) then he's got it about right. [/B]