Herald’s of Galactus - Green Lantern Corp “Challenge”

Originally posted by id369
Vary doubtful, ripples where already effecting reality.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9383/glcorpsquarterly0747.jpg

The entire selling point of the plot, is the cataclysm following the rapture of the starheart. Or else, Alan would not have worried about his family back on Earth. Or the need for Torque to seal any of the Starheart.

Right thats what im saying, there is no one in control of the starhearth magic so at this point there is no danger (in-active). It goes with the sealed magic, it could had been easier to seal since the magic lied dormant.. See this here is a problem with ambiqous feat, it can lead to alot of speculation.

Originally posted by Ambient
The fallen one can manipulate dark matter but dobtfull if he can do it to that extent..

Question: Can Kyle even come close to that potential now? Specially since alot of circumstances changed within the GL corps..

To be honest. I am uncertain, I don’t think we where given a clear answer. After the restoration of the Central Battery, the only change in Kyle’s ring was that it will return to its user, and more energy reserve.

On a technical aspect, Kyle ring is suppose to be different from the rest of the corps.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3254/glsecretfiles2pg028.jpg/

Originally posted by Ambient
That is when the entity Starheart was in control but when he vanished and the magic was loose in the Universe nothing happened..

Right thats what im saying, there is no one in control of the starhearth magic so at this point there is no danger (in-active). It goes with the sealed magic, it could had been easier to seal since the magic lied dormant.. See this here is a problem with ambiqous feat, it can lead to alot of speculation.

Your assuming nothing happened because the Starheart entity got up and left. Truth be told, the Starheart entity left to recover from his fight with Alan (referenced in Heart of Darkness). However the only explanation we have, as to why the universe did not fall into total cataclysm following the rapture of the Starheart. Well its Torque explaining that he sealed a portion of it. You have to keep in mind, that the universe was already falling into cataclysm with just spills of the Starheart.

My gut says the Surfer feat is just that little bit more impressive. The impression i was getting was that Torquemada had used magic to imprison magic, but on the other hand, the surfer used the power cosmic to directly affect magic. that to me is the difference between the two feats, even if Torquemada did a somewhat bigger job.

Originally posted by -Pr-
My gut says the Surfer feat is just that little bit more impressive. The impression i was getting was that Torquemada had used magic to imprison magic, but on the other hand, the surfer used the power cosmic to directly affect magic. that to me is the difference between the two feats, even if Torquemada did a somewhat bigger job.

Originally posted by leonidas
[b]imo, as regards the "magic manipulation challenge" ss's feat>gl feat. ss's feat demonstrated a more in-depth manipulation. the gl feat is ambiguous in a couple ways. we don't know how much was sealed, we didn't see the actual FEAT of sealing, just the result. torque also has a background in magic. did it play a part? maybe not, but it can't be simply ignored either, imo.

that's not to say both feats aren't impressive, just that the ss's feat is a more direct example of MANIPULATING magical energy, imo. [/B]

Only Delph’s is missing from the judges vote. But I suppose, we can do with 2/3 vote.

Personally I figured this feat was at the vary least, on the same league. I will keep looking I suppose.

Originally posted by id369
To be honest. I am uncertain, I don’t think we where given a clear answer. After the restoration of the Central Battery, the only change in Kyle’s ring was that it will return to its user, and more energy reserve.

On a technical aspect, Kyle ring is suppose to be different from the rest of the corps.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3254/glsecretfiles2pg028.jpg/

Your assuming nothing happened because the Starheart entity got up and left. Truth be told, the Starheart entity left to recover from his fight with Alan (referenced in Heart of Darkness). However the only explanation we have, as to why the universe did not fall into total cataclysm following the rapture of the Starheart. Well its Torque explaining that he sealed a portion of it. You have to keep in mind, that the universe was already falling into cataclysm with just spills of the Starheart.

Quess we have to wait for them to explore it..

Well i'll take your word, maybe..lol gotta work.

No need to take my word for it. Supposedly Kyle’s ring is built with less imperfections, from the rest of the corps. The only changes sans the empowering of the Central Battery. Where the modifications mentioned earlier. Improvements to his existing ring, but this is DC and like Marvel. Writers can ignore these changes.

Green Lantern v3 #150
http://h.imagehost.org/0402/Green_Lantern_v3_150_pg35.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/0415/Green_Lantern_v3_150_pg36.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/0322/Green_Lantern_v3_150_pg37.jpg

I am still working on it. But this information will be added to Kyle’s OA Files.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=498208

Originally posted by id369
Only Delph’s is missing from the judges vote. But I suppose, we can do with 2/3 vote.

Personally I figured this feat was at the vary least, on the same league. I will keep looking I suppose.

Sorry man. Been insanely busy with work. I'll try to read it over today.

Movement/Reaction speed:

Surfer fights Beta Ray Bill through space alongside his ship at FTL speeds:
Beta Ray Bill: God Hunter #2
Silver Surfer vs Beta Ray Bill

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0050/brbgh_02_005
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0841/brbgh_02_006
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http://g.imagehost.org/view/0450/brbgh_02_010
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0755/brbgh_02_011
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0057/brbgh_02_012

Alright Mike, At the moment. I can only think of Hal vs. Sinestro where they fight from Earths Moon all the way to Planet Saturn.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4788/greenlanternrebirth0520.jpg
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Originally posted by illadelph12
Sorry man. Been insanely busy with work. I'll try to read it over today.

Not a problem.

Uncontested Challenges

Herald
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.

Surfer manipulating high level magic
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Energy/Matter manipulation
Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7019.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7020.jpg

Bio Molecular Feat
Here's another challenge since nobody posted anything from GL's side...
Here's Perceptor stripping/take apart someone and put it back.. I quess goes to bio-molecular feat..
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/perpetrator1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/perpetrator2.jpg

Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

Challenge
Herald
Energy/Matter manipulation
Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7019.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7020.jpg

Response

Green Lantern
Planetary Matter Manipulation.
Planet OA, is completely reconstructed to its former glory. That is a massive matter manipulation feat, because it not just mass teraforming taking place. But celestial technology (from the Guardian’s ) and life (at least planet life) is completely restored.

Complete Planetary Restoration, on an advance civilization.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4523/gllegacypg101tdn.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9551/gllegacypg102.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6977/gllegacypg103.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5887/gllegacypg106.jpg

Ok heres another set of challenges for GLs

HEre Surfer extinguishes Medusas spark of life (he is in the process but stops before she is totally dead). I think this is basically lifeforce absorption.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferextinguishesbeingssparkoflife.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ok heres another set of challenges for GLs

HEre Surfer extinguishes Medusas spark of life (he is in the process but stops before she is totally dead). I think this is basically lifeforce absorption.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferextinguishesbeingssparkoflife.jpg

Manipulation of the Soul?
Black Lanterns aren't the only ones that can raise the dead.

Kyle brings his mother back to life.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6248/pic012o.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6757/pic013c.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1740/pic014.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4930/pic015.jpg

And then takes it away.
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http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3760/pic017.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7097/pic018.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9238/pic019z.jpg

Lulz.

Challenge:

Kyle contains a big bang.

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0108/Superman_v2_173_pg14

Any of the heralds have a feat to match that?

Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz.

Challenge:

Kyle contains a big bang.

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0108/Superman_v2_173_pg14

Any of the heralds have a feat to match that?

Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

Also wasnt kyle tapping into the ion power when he momentarily contained that big bang?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Also wasnt kyle tapping into the ion power when he momentarily contained that big bang?

Why, because OneDumG0 said so?

Jeph Loeb wrote that issue. I'm pretty sure he meant for it to be regular GL Kyle. Plus, it was never stated anywhere that he was.

Originally posted by batdude123
Why, because OneDumG0 said so?

Jeph Loeb wrote that issue. I'm pretty sure he meant for it to be regular GL Kyle. Plus, it was never stated anywhere that he was.

OnedumbGo isnt the only one who ive seen argue that (though yes he did make a compelling argument). Anyhow im not pressing that since im not an expert on the issue. I believe the surfer feat is good enough to meet the challenge regardless.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

GL Kyle is one of the six characters, who go about and absorb; plasma energy universe created by Parallax.
http://h.imagehost.org/0557/36_Zero_Hour_00_Page_16.jpg

I think I earned the right to place a challenge.

Challenge
Massive Time Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

Originally posted by id369
GL Kyle is one of the six characters, who go about and absorb; plasma energy universe created by Parallax.
http://h.imagehost.org/0557/36_Zero_Hour_00_Page_16.jpg

I think I earned the right to place a challenge.

[B]Challenge
Massive Time Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg [/B]

The kyle feat doesnt match the surfer feat at all though. First of all it was a shared feat with six characters and not only that they were not shown to complete the absorption, All that we see there is them beginning the absorption. We dont even know how much of the energy they absorbed in total nor do we know how much they absorbed individually which would be relevant in regards to kyle.

Also for the Alan feat, did the location have anything to do with the performance of the feat? what issue did it happen in?

Originally posted by id369

[B]
Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28 [/B]

Okay as an answer to this challenge here a weakened Surfer challenges the energies of the Big crunch (energies which Galactus himself cannot handle for long). (Not exactly in the same vein but overall as an energy manip feat it definitely meets the challenge)

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy3.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy
Okay as an answer to this challenge here a weakened Surfer challenges the energies of the Big crunch (energies which Galactus himself cannot handle for long). (Not exactly in the same vein but overall as an energy manip feat it definitely meets the challenge)

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy3.jpg

If Kyles feat, is too ambiguous to judge. The challenge should be rearranged more like so.

Challenge

Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

Response
Herald
Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

^^ This seems more fitting, since energy is being manipulated to effect the universe.

Originally posted by Naija boy

Also for the Alan feat, did the location have anything to do with the performance of the feat? what issue did it happen in?

JLA - 30
They are on The Astral Boundary. I don’t know if location has anything to do with it. Like I mentioned earlier I am not a Green Lantern specialist. I don’t keep track of Alan, Hal , or most of the Pri-Crisis stuff. I can awanser just about anything related to the current GL era and Kyle Rayner.