Revan strengths

Started by Dr McBeefington27 pages

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
whats the point in using that as an indicator of their strength if those sith and mandalorians arent impressive themselves. an extreme example would be a man applying for a job and stating that hes qualified for the job because he spent a lifetime working in a preschool. how does keeping track of toddlers equate to being manly enough to handle prison inmates?

Excuse me? Revan and Malak aren't impressive? The True Sith aren't impressive? By that measure, the Jedi of the prequels suck because the CIS isn't impressive.

thats all im saying. ive never had the intention of saying "kotor era jedi are weak period". in only talkiing in terms of comparing them to the pt and njo era jedi. 😬 [/B]

The NJO Jedi? Aside from Luke, Jacen, Kyp and Kyle, I wouldn't think anything of the rest of the bunch. Not to mention the NJO numbers in what, the 100s? Less than 200?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Excuse me? Revan and Malak aren't impressive? The True Sith aren't impressive? By that measure, the Jedi of the prequels suck because the CIS isn't impressive.

impressive according to who? compared to who?

The NJO Jedi? Aside from Luke, Jacen, Kyp and Kyle, I wouldn't think anything of the rest of the bunch. Not to mention the NJO numbers in what, the 100s? Less than 200? [/B]

*shrug*

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
impressive according to who? compared to who?

Aside from the new game trailer of the one sith kicking the crap out of a number of jedi? Aside from a sith emperor who has ruled for 1400 years? Aside from the sith taking over coruscant? That's impressive. If your only argument is "lolz well the Jedi aren't impressive", you've already lost. By the same measure, the 10,000 Jedi of the movies aren't impressive aside from 4-5 of them.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
[B]Aside from the new game trailer of the one sith kicking the crap out of a number of jedi?Aside from a sith emperor who has ruled for 1400 years? Aside from the sith taking over coruscant? That's impressive.

i agree.

If your only argument is "lolz well the Jedi aren't impressive", you've already lost.

fortunately thats not my argument.

By the same measure, the 10,000 Jedi of the movies aren't impressive aside from 4-5 of them.

most of them are fodder yeah.

Then wtf is your point?

😂

the top tiers of the kotor arent impressive in comparison to the top tiers of the pt and up. and i dont think that leading a bunch of non-impressive people is an indication of your power. not by itself.

that is what i believe.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
😂

the top tiers of the kotor arent impressive in comparison to the top tiers of the pt and up. and i dont think that leading a bunch of non-impressive people is an indication of your power. not by itself.

that is what i believe.

Malak, Revan, Kun, Qel Droma, Sith Emperor, they could all be considered in the same league as Dooku, Yoda, Mace, Sidious, etc..

could be. but id disagree. heavily. 😛

im going to withhold judgement on the sith emperor for this new game until it comes out and we can get a full guage of his abilities. but the others? imo theyre not even close.

I would put Bane on par with Dooku, at least. Dooku does not = teh uber he = the guy who got hius head cut off by a knight when he is a sith lord and former jedi master on top of being one of the best swordsmen in the jedi order and being the apprentice of Yoda.

I've been working on it and I can honestly say that I have no idea what that post means.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Malak, Revan, Kun, Qel Droma, Sith Emperor, they could all be considered in the same league as Dooku, Yoda, Mace, Sidious, etc..

Prove it DS.

Give me something that Revan or Malak has done to put them in that class.

You have been here way too long to try to make the claim that you can prove how powerful Revan and Malak are, and ESPECIALLY to compare them to anyone from the PT. How the heck did you fall into this again?

EDIT: oh, and no one is trying to actually pretend like they all sucked, i've been merely pointing out that you can't prove they DIDN'T suck. You also can't prove they didn't suck compared to PT jedi and sith. No question they were powerful, but considering Kreia said that KOTOR age combatants were "like children playing with toys" compared to the Ancient Sith, and the Ancient Sith were less than Sidious, who was slightly greater than Yoda...;

Saying that KOTOR level combatants were on par with PT is folly. There is more to suggest it is NOT true than there is to suggest it is.

UOT

Okay, one more time, and then we are finished.

Originally posted by Kotor3
How does TK a basic force technique compare to force drain? You’re statement makes no sense.

How does it not? One is a force technique. The other is... A force technique. What the heck is your point? All drains are equal? That's BS and you know it.


Try again.

Very Well: you were completely wrong earlier. Maybe you will understand it better this time?


Yes, common sense which clearly you are not using. So, the ancient Sith, like Nadd, are weak because we cannot name five powerful Sith that they had under them.

No. The ancient Sith are either held up on their feats. (and who they held in subjections is NOT considered a feat) or they are considered unknowns. You have no feats for Revan. You have no feats for malak. Who they held in subjection is not a feat. Especially when you don't know WHO THEY HELD IN SUBJECTION. Why is this so difficult to understand?


Ridiculous! We are not talking about using Revan in a versus forum but you are taking away from even calling Revan or Malak powerful. Astounding!

My personal opinion of Revan is that he was a force Beast. Behind only Sidious and Bane, and possibly Caedus. But my personal opinion means jack. And so does yours. I'm merely pointing out that if someone chose to believe revan was the weakest sith ever, he would have just as strong an argumetn as you do.


Pure assumption which you can keep if it wish to.

You are assuming they were powerful. What is the difference?

I can very well ask you to prove that he Maul knew the technique. Unless you can provide an example where Maul used force lightning then I stick with my statement. Unless you are going to contradict yourself and assume he did.

I assume no such thing. What you said was "Sidious FORGOT to teach Maul force lightning."

Prove to me that Sidious had the intention of teaching maul force lightning, and FORGOT. It was your claim, you back it up, i owe you no proof. I believe Sidious taught Maul everything he actually wanted him to know, and see no evidence to the contrary.


Of course because TK can be compared to Force drain.

Once again, you trying to pretend all force-drain attacks are equal is stupid. Stop doing it. Nihilus's drain is the same as Malak's? Please.


Speculation is used throughout this forum. If you think differently there is nothing I can do about that. Speculation based upon knowledge is what this thread was about.

Because the second someone comes along and tries to speculate that KOTOR era people sucked, you go off on them, and start insulting them. I joined the argument because that level of hypocrisy is ridiculous. If you want to speculate that they were powerful (as myself does, in fact) go ahead, but don't get on someone else for insulting your favorite character.


The problem is that you and others keep pointing to a vs forum when Revan or Malak is mention. That subject is closed. However if you feel that there is not enough info on Revan or Malak to make a discussion on them then fine I respect your opinion, I do not respect when you try to push it upon me and others who do not feel the same way as you. Why are you on this thread if do not want to talk about Revan?

The only opinion you are accepting is that Revan was powerful. I myself believe this, but if someone doesn't they should have a right to speculate on that as well. You treat every person who posts something other than your biased view of Revan like they don't know what they are talking about. Allow both viewpoints, or drop the "forcing your viewpoint" argument. Its sad. You are treating them like they don't know what they are talking about, when they have just as much evidence to support their view as you do yours.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I've been working on it and I can honestly say that I have no idea what that post means.

Oh, I will figure it out! Just give me the special people dictionnairy and a lot, i mean A LOT of time and then I will overcome this obstacle of confusion.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Unless the Sith “hopefuls” (read: not even true Sith yet) on the academy become the standard for how we judge Revan and Malak’s Empire, then this hilariously crappy point you just made is quite promptly tossed away like the garbage that it is.
Unless there is anything to prove that the majority of the sith in revans empire weren't anything but weaklings morons and fools that could easily get slaughtered by a mere padawan like bastila(funny how she, an average jedi with an extraordinary gift easily slaughtered an elite sith, one of revans bodyguards on the lhis flagship), i am going to assume and argue that the vast majority of these sith aren't anything special at all.

But fine, i'll drop the "jokes and pansies" part, they were skilled, but then again they were nothing special.

Originally posted by Autokrat

Even if you include all the Sith on Korriban (and somehow prove that they all suck, which you can’t) it still wouldn’t be enough to generalize for all of the Sith of the Sith Empire.
Really? Just look at the majority of the students.

MOST of them were corwards that were waiting for revan to gain prestige and during the course of doing so quite a number tried to attack him, steal whatever revan had acquired and get their ass handed to them on a dark side empowered world.

And the rest of the other sith hopefuls were even worse that the ones i've mentioned.

Originally posted by Autokrat

All the Sith and Jedi of Revan’s time were nothing pansies and jokes? Really? Did you seriously just go ahead and type that? Considering you’ve been going on about not spouting statements that can’t be even remotely proven, I think it’s safe to say that you are a pathetic hypocrite.

Well then ma friend, just because i didn't prove what i said doesn't mean i can't.

I conceded the jokes and pansies part, I'll admit i stated that through my personal bias but then again, these sith and jedi were not anything special at all.

Originally posted by Autokrat

I seem to recall posting a page from the campaign guide showing that the Jedi of this era were combat hardened veterans. Seeing as how most of the Sith in this time were Jedi that defected, this would probably carry over. The Jedi and Sith of this time are not “pansies and jokes”, just felt I would make that clear.

You made your point clear, but being "battle hardened" is not an indicator of skill or combat prowess.

But then again i concede the pansies and jokes part.

Oh and please do be a little more civil, you r intelligent and your definately not a moron like kotor3 and s_w_legend.

EDIT

Originally posted by Autokrat
Clearly you don't realize what a relative statement is, otherwise you wouldn't have tried to make such a worthless argument. The campaign guide establishes the Jedi of the Kotor Era as being combat hardened veterans and also states that the majority of them are masters of lightsaber combat. This is [b]not a relative statement.[/B]

^Let me address this one here.

First off being called a "master of lightsaber combat" doesn't mean jack unless it is being quantified and substantiated.

Now why did i say that?

Look at roan shryne, he has been called a "master of lightsaber" combat and he couldn't defeat a neophyte darth vader who was still recovering from his injuries from mustafar and still having some difficulty with the suit.

So, I had a multi-paragraph response that would have ceased this debate given my infinite wisdom and brilliance...

...But then I timed out of my university's network.

And it wuz gone.

😐

Originally posted by truejedi
Prove it DS.

Give me something that Revan or Malak has done to put them in that class.

You have been here way too long to try to make the claim that you can prove how powerful Revan and Malak are, and ESPECIALLY to compare them to anyone from the PT. How the heck did you fall into this again?

EDIT: oh, and no one is trying to actually pretend like they all sucked, i've been merely pointing out that you can't prove they DIDN'T suck. You also can't prove they didn't suck compared to PT jedi and sith. No question they were powerful, but considering Kreia said that KOTOR age combatants were "like children playing with toys" compared to the Ancient Sith, and the Ancient Sith were less than Sidious, who was slightly greater than Yoda...;

Saying that KOTOR level combatants were on par with PT is folly. There is more to suggest it is NOT true than there is to suggest it is.

We know Kun is up there. Lets go with Revan. He had the combined knowledge of the underground cities of Malachor V as well as the untouched tombs of Korriban. Some of the techniques in his holocron made Bane shit his pants. Lets not pretend that Revan isn't a top tier force user.

I don't pretend he isn't. I personally think he is. I can't prove it. Truly though, neither can you, it is merely speculation.

Originally posted by truejedi
I don't pretend he isn't. I personally think he is. I can't prove it. Truly though, neither can you, it is merely speculation.

It's not though. His knowledge is definitely top tier and few rival it. We don't have to know WHAT he knows specifically, just that he had access to the underground cities of Malachor V and the tombs of Korriban.

lol @ female Blaxican. 😂

we don't know what he learned there, so we are hard-pressed to say he learned anything of use.