Originally posted by Luminatus
Well for one, Shujinko now can steal souls. There goes the laughable awesomeness of Sion's "immortality".What's Nightmare gonna do? He'll never hit Shujinko and Shujinko can just blow him to pieces.
Sion was never really immortal. He can't soul steal if he's being choked. Nightmare has wide area attacks that covers some nice distance.
Well first off, let me ask something. DZ, I know you're smart with science stuff so what would breaking your neck in this fashion do to a normal human?
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Skip to about 2:47. Sorry for the bad quality...it is very hard to fin a video of Havik's move.
Anyway, one of the powers Shujinko actually learned originally was from Havik. he too can do that.
I know breaking your neck can damage your windpipe and so you choke to death. If Shujinko can do that then I don't see why Force Choke would work.
Anyway, onto the other things...
Shujinko is too fast for Sion. He can appear anywhere he wishes and since he's armed with his own telekinesis, who says Sion can even use Force Choke?
Nightmare withstanding dimensional attaks is nice..not as nice as having the power of a guy who merges planets with his dimension and can steal the souls off 99% of Earth's population (Shao Kahn). And that's just one of Shujinko's powers.
Also Shujinko can teleport to other dimensions thanks to Quan Chi's power. If he sends Kain or Nightmare to the Netherrealm, they'll lose their powers eventually as the planes of Hell drain magical energies.
Or he could just go the simple route and teleport inside Akuma (Shang Tsung's power). Akuma goes boom.
And the list goes on.
Neck wringing can be done by peak humans in reality.
All the stuff you mentioned could be easily countered...
First, Shujinko would never reach Sion before falling to the force... Sion's options are far greater...
Shao Kahn doing that was via plot device in circumventing the tourney using a reborn Sindel as a loophole through the Elder Gods rules, it's not a power he can utilise in a mundane situation, nor is it a combat ability.
Nightmare feeds on negative energy as a primary, sending him there will only empower him. IDK much regarding Kain, but that guy has dimension hopping capacity as well if I remember correctly...
As a fatality maybe, but none of Shujinko's powers offer him the nessisary physical power to fight Akuma head on
Neck wringing can be done by peak humans in reality.
Proof please.
First, Shujinko would never reach Sion before falling to the force... Sion's options are far greater...
No, they really aren't. SHujinko can teleport at will. Sion will focus on him to Tk him and he will disappear. He'll then re-appear behind Sion and Sion will hav eno clue he's there as he has no Force presence. He can then do whatever the hell he wants with Sion like immolate him, envelop him in a tornado, explode his body with lightning...or as I said earlier, just take his soul.
Shao Kahn doing that was via plot device in circumventing the tourney using a reborn Sindel as a loophole through the Elder Gods rules, it's not a power he can utilise in a mundane situation, nor is it a combat ability.
BS. He just did what he can already do. He can merge realms and steal souls and the only reason he doesn't is because of the Elder Gods. It's the equivalent of me being able to shoot someone but I don't because the law forbids it.
Nightmare feeds on negative energy as a primary, sending him there will only empower him.
No limits fallacy. By that logic Nightmare could be sent to DC or Marvel Hell and be just fine.
The fact is the Netherrealm steals magical energy. He can't feed on anything when he's powerless.
IDK much regarding Kain, but that guy has dimension hopping capacity as well if I remember correctly...
He can't. He has the Dimension Reaver but there are only 3 known dimensions in LoK and two of them exist side-by-side. Kain has never accessed the one (the Spiritual Realm) except when he died and he only went to the other when he was blasted through a portal there.
As a fatality maybe, but none of Shujinko's powers offer him the nessisary physical power to fight Akuma head on
Shame that fighting Akuma or any of the others in a pure physical battle isn't part of any rules in this thread.
I also can bring up many other powers of Shujinko's.
Control of lightning
Control of wind
Control of ice
Control of Fire
Telekinesis
Soul ripping
Shapeshifting
Control of water (to an extent)
Flight
Teleportation
Dimensional travel
Can manipulate shadows (Noob)
Can become invisible (many characters)
Can create an army of illusions to kill you (Shinnok doppleganger)
Can use magical energy to form many types of attacks like hands that hold you or whatever
And here's still more. How does Nightmare hit Shujinko when he's invisible, flying and shoving lightning bolts up his ass over and over?
How does Cloud speedblitz when Shujinko holds him still with Tk then freezes his legs and then shatters them?
How does Akuma use his awesome strength when he's unable to ever hit Shujinko?
I admit I do know very little of Nightmare but the rest, I can think of many ways for Shujinko to kill any of them.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Well first off, let me ask something. DZ, I know you're smart with science stuff so what would breaking your neck in this fashion do to a normal human?
YouTube videoSkip to about 2:47. Sorry for the bad quality...it is very hard to fin a video of Havik's move.
Anyway, one of the powers Shujinko actually learned originally was from Havik. he too can do that.
I know breaking your neck can damage your windpipe and so you choke to death. If Shujinko can do that then I don't see why Force Choke would work.Anyway, onto the other things...
Shujinko is too fast for Sion. He can appear anywhere he wishes and since he's armed with his own telekinesis, who says Sion can even use Force Choke?
Nightmare withstanding dimensional attaks is nice..not as nice as having the power of a guy who merges planets with his dimension and can steal the souls off 99% of Earth's population (Shao Kahn). And that's just one of Shujinko's powers.Also Shujinko can teleport to other dimensions thanks to Quan Chi's power. If he sends Kain or Nightmare to the Netherrealm, they'll lose their powers eventually as the planes of Hell drain magical energies.
Or he could just go the simple route and teleport inside Akuma (Shang Tsung's power). Akuma goes boom.
And the list goes on.
Are you talking about Havik's win taunt? That's nothing compared to the Force Choke. Sion could choke him before he even took a step. Shuj would have to be up close to pull off a move like that.
Every Sith knows the choke, hell even Jedis do. If you can use the Force to grab your saber then why can't you apply that same ability to grab someone's neck?
What speed feats does Shujinko have again?
DZ pretty much summed up Akuma and Nightmare.
Are you talking about Havik's win taunt? That's nothing compared to the Force Choke. Sion could choke him before he even took a step. Shuj would have to be up close to pull off a move like that.
I'm not saying he's gonna do that to Sion. i'm saying if he can do that casually then why would a Force Choke even do anything? It seems pretty obvious Havik's power grants him a certain level of superhuman bone manipulation. He has other things to do with his bones beside the neck thing like his torso move, how his knees bend wrong, etc..
Besides, Sion will never get the chance to do a Force Choke. I've seen far superior telekinesis from Kenshi and Ermac and Shujinko has both their powers. Hell...Sion has no feats of TK. Sion will never be able to Choke him.
What speed feats does Shujinko have again?
He can appear anywhere he wants. THat beats Son's speed which is non-existent anyway.
Originally posted by Luminatus
I'm not saying he's gonna do that to Sion. i'm saying if he can do that casually then why would a Force Choke even do anything? It seems pretty obvious Havik's power grants him a certain level of superhuman bone manipulation. He has other things to do with his bones beside the neck thing like his torso move, how his knees bend wrong, etc..Besides, Sion will never get the chance to do a Force Choke. I've seen far superior telekinesis from Kenshi and Ermac and Shujinko has both their powers. Hell...Sion has no feats of TK. Sion will never be able to Choke him.
He can appear anywhere he wants. THat beat sSion's speed which is non-existent anyway.
Well one because he isn't choking him to break bones, he's choking him to cut off his air supply. It doesn't matter how durable your body or bones are, you're still dead if someone chokes or suffocates you.
Also Shujinko doesn't have Havik's body, his body doesn't work the same way. IIRC Shunjinko doesn't canonically transform into the character, he just knows their moves and replicates them. Before you ask then why does do it in the konquest mode then the reasoning is simple. It would have took a lot of work and a broken character to imply all of the styles into one character model. It saved time and money by just letting him transform into them for that brief amount of time.
Exactly what TK feats do they have?
Doesn't stop him from stopping dead in his tracks due to being choked.
Well one because he isn't choking him to break bones, he's choking him to cut off his air supply. It doesn't matter how durable your body or bones are, you're still dead if someone chokes or suffocates you.
So your argument is Sion will deprive the guy with the power of the god of wind..of air? Interesting...
Also Shujinko doesn't have Havik's body, his body doesn't work the same way. IIRC Shunjinko doesn't canonically transform into the character, he just knows their moves and replicates them. Before you ask then why does do it in the konquest mode then the reasoning is simple. It would have took a lot of work and a broken character to imply all of the styles into one character model. It saved time and money by just letting him transform into them for that brief amount of time.
Shujinko takes on the physical powers of those he battles. Otherwise there's no way he cn use ice manipulation like Sub-Zero because its hereditary from the species SZ is from. He also could never study and learn Baraka's fighting style if he can't use the Tarkatan blade-arms.
Exactly what TK feats do they have?
They can lift, throw, slam and rip people to pieces with their minds. Give me anything even close to that from Sion?
Doesn't stop him from stopping dead in his tracks due to being choked.
Sion will never get the chance.
Originally posted by Luminatus
So your argument is Sion will deprive the guy with the power of the god of wind..of air? Interesting...Shujinko takes on the physical powers of those he battles. Otherwise there's no way he cn use ice manipulation like Sub-Zero because its hereditary from the species SZ is from. He also could never study and learn Baraka's fighting style if he can't use the Tarkatan blade-arms.
They can lift, throw, slam and rip people to pieces with their minds. Give me anything even close to that from Sion?
Sion will never get the chance.
Well if you want to get technical then wind and air are two different things. Can Fujin transform his body into wind?
So you show me them TKing defenseless practically dead people? That in no way showcases how they will get the upper hand. You do know that TK slams and choking are two different types of attacks right?
Well if you want to get technical then wind and air are two different things. Can Fujin transform his body into wind?
No idea. Like Raiden his body can be destroyed and he'll just reform but if he can turn into wind a twill, no idea.
So you show me them TKing defenseless practically dead people? That in no way showcases how they will get the upper hand.
Sure it does. It beats anything Sion has shown...which is nothing.
Also being pratically dead in no way makes your body made of buter. It's just as impressive to rip a near-dead person in half or splatter them to pieces as it is with a perfectly healthy one.
You do know that TK slams and choking are two different types of attacks right?
True. Slams require much more power and show Ermac's, Kenshi's and Shujinko's superiority in TK.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Besides, Sion will never get the chance to do a Force Choke. I've seen far superior telekinesis from Kenshi and Ermac and Shujinko has both their powers. Hell...Sion has no feats of TK. Sion will never be able to Choke him.
The average Sith lord has much higher TK feats than anyone in MK. You don't even have to be a Star Wars fan to know this.
Originally posted by Luminatus
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YouTube videoThey can lift, throw, slam and rip people to pieces with their minds. Give me anything even close to that from Sion?
Sion will never get the chance.
Fatalities are usually non-canon in MK. If not, Havik can eat people's arms in 2 seconds, Jax can turn into a giant, Kitana's lips make her victim explode, Smoke can blow the Earth up with a pile of bombs, Scorpion can transform into an animal of his own name, and Jarek shoots lasers out of his eye despite not having proof of any power or cybernetic implant.
The average Sith lord has much higher TK feats than anyone in MK. You don't even have to be a Star Wars fan to know this.
No, they really don't. I'm an SW expert and not once has an average Jedi or Sith come even close to ripping a person in half with TK.
And MK3's fatalities were fairly cartoony. Deception's are largely realistic all things considered. There's nothing at all to say Ermac can't reduce you to mush with TK. He's been doing that since his debut.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Fatalities are usually non-canon in MK. If not, Havik can eat people's arms in 2 seconds, Jax can turn into a giant, Kitana's lips make her victim explode, Smoke can blow the Earth up with a pile of bombs, Scorpion can transform into an animal of his own name, and Jarek shoots lasers out of his eye despite not having proof of any power or cybernetic implant.
Not all of them are non-canon IMO. Some, but not all.
Originally posted by Luminatus
No, they really don't. I'm an SW expert and not once has an average Jedi or Sith come even close to ripping a person in half with TK.And MK3's fatalities were fairly cartoony. Deception's are largely realistic all things considered. There's nothing at all to say Ermac can't reduce you to mush with TK. He's been doing that since his debut.
Not once has anyone in MK used TK to redirect a falling Star Destroyer or anything relatively equal in size.
Originally posted by Luminatus
No idea. Like Raiden his body can be destroyed and he'll just reform but if he can turn into wind a twill, no idea.Sure it does. It beats anything Sion has shown...which is nothing.
Also being pratically dead in no way makes your body made of buter. It's just as impressive to rip a near-dead person in half or splatter them to pieces as it is with a perfectly healthy one.
True. Slams require much more power and show Ermac's, Kenshi's and Shujinko's superiority in TK.
Yeah but being practically dead makes you unable to defend against said attack. Show me him doing it to someone who is at least trying to defend against it.
You missed the point yet again. Something taking more power doesn't mean it's more effective. If I was choking you then there is nothing you can do to stop it. Given the fact that Sion has precog, then he can move out of the way if Shujinko tried to tk him.