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Let's play a game. One statement here does not belong.

Statement 1:
The average Sith lord has much higher TK feats than anyone in MK. You don't even have to be a Star Wars fan to know this.

Statement 2:
. I'm an SW expert and not once has an average Jedi or Sith come even close to ripping a person in half with TK.

Statement 3:
Not once has anyone in MK used TK to redirect a falling Star Destroyer or anything relatively equal in size.

Clue: We were talking abouta normal Sith. Statement 3 was talking about one of the strongest Sith of all time doing something that nearly killed him and took all his power.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Luminatus
Let's play a game. One statement here does not belong.

Statement 1:
[b]The average Sith lord has much higher TK feats than anyone in MK. You don't even have to be a Star Wars fan to know this.

Statement 2:
. I'm an SW expert and not once has an average Jedi or Sith come even close to ripping a person in half with TK.

Statement 3:
Not once has anyone in MK used TK to redirect a falling Star Destroyer or anything relatively equal in size.

Clue: We were talking abouta normal Sith. Statement 3 was talking about one of the strongest Sith of all time doing something that nearly killed him and took all his power.

Good luck. [/B]

To my knowledge, the strenuous work it took for Galen Marek was not lethal against himself. It did indeed drain him of his strength, but temporarily since he's never done something like that in the past.

The one truest reason that someone ripping another apart hasn't come close to have been done, is due to the fact that it has as far as I've read never been truly attempted.
Technically even average Jedi preforme feats that prove enough strength at force to rip a limb from the body of a common human. The only problem with this theory would be that the majority of the TK moves by Jedi and Sith are pull, push, grab and throw. Beyond that, it's simply fine detailing that their TK is used for.

I can't really think of any time where they have used TK in a splitting manner before.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
To my knowledge, the strenuous work it took for Galen Marek was not lethal against himself. It did indeed drain him of his strength, but temporarily since he's never done something like that in the past.

The one truest reason that someone ripping another apart hasn't come close to have been done, is due to the fact that it has as far as I've read never been truly attempted.
Technically even average Jedi preforme feats that prove enough strength at force to rip a limb from the body of a common human. The only problem with this theory would be that the majority of the TK moves by Jedi and Sith are pull, push, grab and throw. Beyond that, it's simply fine detailing that their TK is used for.

I can't really think of any time where they have used TK in a splitting manner before.

As I have illustrated before, ripping something apart is much harder than throwing or pushing it. I wouldn't be surprised if your average Jedi/Sith didn't have enough oomph to do it.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
As I have illustrated before, ripping something apart is much harder than throwing or pushing it. I wouldn't be surprised if your average Jedi/Sith didn't have enough oomph to do it.

I know it's harder ✅

Loses to Sion.

The KotOR campaign guide reveals that Sion is completely immortal at his own choosing (meaning the only way that he can die is if he willingly chooses to), that his ability protects him on every single plain of existence (his mind, life force, body, and Force connection) and that even if his body were to be entirely destroyed, it would eventually re materialise.

Originally posted by Citan
The KotOR campaign guide reveals that Sion is completely immortal at his own choosing (meaning the only way that he can die is if he willingly chooses to), that his ability protects him on every single plain of existence (his mind, life force, body, and Force connection) and that even if his body were to be entirely destroyed, it would eventually re materialise.

Re-materialise? The whole deal with Sion is that his body doesn't "de-materialise", that's why he looks and acts the way he does. Hitting him is worse than hitting a brick wall and his bones regenerate and relocate after having been shattered, but I can't remember anything about re-materialising.

The Force keeps him together. It doesn't reassemble him.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
So I guess Shang Tsung's soul stealing fatality (despite being shown to use it in cut-scenes), Scorpion's "toasty" finisher, etc. are all non-canon too? 😐

Not all of them are non-canon IMO. Some, but not all.

Obviously, MK1's and MK2's (minus Kitana's kiss and Mileena's cannibalism) fatalities are realistic (MK-wise). But MK3 and beyond just isn't.

MK3 fatalities are mostly jokes, MK4 fatalities is 50/50, DA's is much like MK1 (except worse), and Deception's is just exaggerated.

Originally posted by Luminatus
No, they really don't. I'm an SW expert and not once has an average Jedi or Sith come even close to ripping a person in half with TK.

And MK3's fatalities were fairly cartoony. Deception's are largely realistic all things considered. There's nothing at all to say Ermac can't reduce you to mush with TK. He's been doing that since his debut.

I'm not even a Star Wars expert and even I know Ermac isn't even on a Sith's level.

Starkiller brought a Star Destroyer (one of the largest warships in Star Wars) down. Yoda, Dooku, and Palpatine have been shown lifting and throwing heavy objects using TK. Let's not forget the Force Crush which an make a victim implode. Windu used a force crush to rupture Grievous's lungs and Starkiller used it to destroy an AT-ST.

Dooku has used TK to give himself flight. Sion held his decomposing body together using his Force (which gave him immortality to some extent).

Face it, Star Wars TK > MK TK.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Obviously, MK1's and MK2's (minus Kitana's kiss and Mileena's cannibalism) fatalities are realistic (MK-wise). But MK3 and beyond just isn't.

MK3 fatalities are mostly jokes, MK4 fatalities is 50/50, DA's is much like MK1 (except worse), and Deception's is just exaggerated.

And the only canon telekinetic feat I seem to recall in MK is in the Armageddon intro, and it wasn't even Ermac, but Tsung disguised as him, who casually tossed Quan Chi off a pyramid. Not much at all compared to stuff done in Star Wars.

The only fatalities in MKD that were exaggerated were Bo' Rai Cho's and thats because he's a gag character. Everything else is fairly realistic and fully possible for the characters.

In fact Sub-Zero's freezing then breaking off the legs of his opponent is his most awesome and intelligent fatality to date.

Starkiller brought a Star Destroyer (one of the largest warships in Star Wars) down.

One of the strongest Sith ever ever performing possibly the second best TK feats in SW history. (#1 going to Nihilus pulling the Ravager from a gravity well and holding it together)

Yoda, Dooku, and Palpatine have been shown lifting and throwing heavy objects using TK.

All far more powerful than Sion could ever hope to be in terms of Force powers. Also as per the films Dooku and Palpatine had gravity on their side as they were breaking things to make them fall and throwing pods downwards.

Let's not forget the Force Crush which an make a victim implode. Windu used a force crush to rupture Grievous's lungs and Starkiller used it to destroy an AT-ST.

Both of them being much stronger than Sion and with better feats in..everything.

I'll remind everybody of two very simple things.
1. We are talking about average Jedi.
2. We are talking about Darth Sion's telekinetic powers.

Nobody seems to be able to remember this.

Dooku has used TK to give himself flight.

A feat NEVER AGAIn replicated in Star Wars. It's obviously been forgotten.

Sion held his decomposing body together using his Force (which gave him immortality to some extent).

Agian, soul suck.

Face it, Star Wars TK > MK TK.

WHne you use the bests of the strongest Jedi and Sith in history, sure.

Originally posted by Hyuga Ricdeau
Count Dooku? Really now? Despite never displaying himself to be anything other than unremarkable in the grand scheme of things? Darth Sion displayed a completely unprecedented application of the Force of an absolutely huge scale; Dooku at best displays low level telekinesis, low level Force lightning and catches relatively low tier Force Users off guard with his Force attacks. Sion's powers are clearly displayed to be of an absolutely phenomenal nature, and Dooku hasn't displayed anything to indicate that he's even close.

Excuse me for intruding, but Dooku is acknowledged as one of the greatest telekinetics in the Jedi tier. It was his specialty and he's acknowledged by even Yoda that he had massive potency in the TK arts. Low level my ass 😛

Really? For his time or in the Jedi's entire history? When exactly was it stated? Because as far as what Dooku has actually displayed, everything was of an extremely low scale in comparison to the great EU displays of telekinesis (Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron manipulating artificial black holes, Darth Bane telekinetically manipulating a planetary level of Sith lightning across an entire planet, Darth Nihilus telekinetically dragging an entire fleet out of a gravity well etc...). The same can be said for Yoda; he displayed visible signs of difficulty with relatively basic TK throughout the movies; literally struggling with moving a pillar at the end of AotC, and doing no better when faced with stopping and throwing a Senate Pod back at Sidious during their battle in RotS.

Dies a Sion

Originally posted by Hyuga Ricdeau
Really? For his time or in the Jedi's entire history? When exactly was it stated? Because as far as what Dooku has actually displayed, everything was of an extremely low scale in comparison to the great EU displays of telekinesis (Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron manipulating artificial black holes, Darth Bane telekinetically manipulating a planetary level of Sith lightning across an entire planet, Darth Nihilus telekinetically dragging an entire fleet out of a gravity well etc...). The same can be said for Yoda; he displayed visible signs of difficulty with relatively basic TK throughout the movies; literally struggling with moving a pillar at the end of AotC, and doing no better when faced with stopping and throwing a Senate Pod back at Sidious during their battle in RotS.

You did not just determine Yoda's strength according to the movie 😐

Well the movie does take precedence over the EU....

Since you're a sock, this is the last I write to you on this matter:
George Lucas doesn't consider the EU canon, but it is.

What's a sock?

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Since you're a sock, this is the last I write to you on this matter:
George Lucas doesn't consider the EU canon, but it is.

Isn't Lucas the man when it comes to that?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Isn't Lucas the man when it comes to that?

Not exactly. Unlike Chris Metzen (Warcraft lore founder), George Lucas isn't the only man behind the curtains.